On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:52 PM, David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:29:02 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > <barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote: > >> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 11:54 AM, David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 04:30:55 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> > <barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote: >> >> >> >> BTW, I have Marina's icon for CPU & Temp, but I don't use them and >> >> I think they should not exist for a desktop or laptops nowadays (I >> >> also know the reasons, but AFAIK they are all fixed in the proper >> >> places, like the kernel). So if someone wants to convert these >> >> gadgets to similar look & feel, let me know. >> > >> > Maybe I misunderstand what you mean. >> > >> > It's quite hot here in summer, and it is crucial that I keep an eye >> > on my CPU's temperature. There is the difference between "so hot >> > things might be unstable" and "so hot the computer will shut down >> > for safety". Knowing that I'm at the first stage means I know to >> > not trust things, but can keep using my computer if things seem to >> > be fine. Knowing that I'm getting close to the second stage means I >> > know when to just shut it down properly, open the case, and point >> > big fans at it. >> >> This is exactly what I mean with fixing it in the wrong place. Here >> (Brazil) is very hot the whole year, I knew this problem from Athlon >> days :-) >> >> The problem is "what if you're not there to change?". The kernel is >> always there, with the highest priority. There is work to make it >> throttle before more drastic measures. > > If I'm not there to change, then my desktop is not doing anything to > heat it up too much. B-)
Really? Don't you use cron or browsers? Browsers can go crazy depending on some JS from Gmail or Twitter, for instance. > And it's not just the drastic measure, AMD processors at least have a > "not hot enough to shutdown, but may not be stable" temperature. On > hot days I tend to go over that when compiling big projects. On really > hot days, I know there's no point trying, as it will likely just over > heat. It's knowing what the temperature is NOW, even if it's not high > enough to be a problem YET, that is important for planning such things. > If it's too hot, and my computer might melt, time to go do something > else. Kernel should see this. The way it's now, the user is supposed to read his user manual and see if too hot is acceptable or not. Firmware, hardware and kernel know about this. And there are always quirks for udev, in the case it lacks somethings. :-) > The point being that there are good reason why might need to know what > temperature their computer internals are running at. Like to see if > they might need better cooling, or if their recently installed > better cooling was worth it. this is more the work of a tuning app, not a shelf gadget that is usually so small you can barely see the value. > It's like power - how do you know if your power supply provides enough > power for your computer? As far as I know, there is no monitoring of > that. The only way you can tell is if your computer does odd things, > which may be caused by lots of stuff. Your CPU being in the "not hot > enough to shutdown, but hot enough to be unreliable" range would cause > the exact same problem. > > Would be good if there was some sort of intelligent system that > monitored all that, then popped up a warning "your computer getting too > hot" or "your computer is close to drawing too much power" so ordinary > people might have a clue. Sadly, the information is not there. it's better to work on this than to work around such controls with gadgets + human intervention. For this I can even agree to have a module enabled by default that is always on. But kernel is doing a great work for me for years, maybe you can try it? > Just upgraded to an AMD 4 core, and more memory. Just started summer. > Might be time to invest in better computer cooling. Can't afford to > right now, and this is my traditional slow work period. B-( > >> anyway, I'm just not doing the gadgets theme work. Feel free to work >> on them with the icons I have. You can base the edc from efenniht as >> the icons are basically the same. > > I'm not doing theme work. I was just curious why you think it's not > needed. > >> > I don't see why these things should not exist for desktops or >> > laptops. Certainly for me at least, they should exist, AND should >> > have more functionality. >> >> go for it, but I'd at least move them to a "dev" or "geek" module that >> aggregates all these things, a gkrellm like module. The problem is >> that most users will not have a clue what are these things and get >> confused. > > Actually, I said long ago that I'd like E17 modules that do the sort of > thing that gkrellm does, so that I can get rid of it. People just said > to use gkrellm, or that it's too hard. Gkrellm has it's limits, and I > don't think it's too hard. I've just never gotten around to doing it, > so it's still on my TODO. lol I used to be a gkrellm user in my n00b days, it was great because it was the only thing that was fancy at the time... which I used windowmaker. Looked geek and so, "oh, something using my network! See, my cpu is going up when I compile" :-D -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -------------------------------------- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ RSA(R) Conference 2012 Save $700 by Nov 18 Register now http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
