On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:54:53 +0100 Thomas Gstädtner <tho...@gstaedtner.net> wrote:
> On So 13 Nov 2011 16:29:02 CET, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 11:54 AM, David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 04:30:55 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > >> <barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote: > >>> > >>> BTW, I have Marina's icon for CPU & Temp, but I don't use them > >>> and I think they should not exist for a desktop or laptops > >>> nowadays (I also know the reasons, but AFAIK they are all fixed > >>> in the proper places, like the kernel). So if someone wants to > >>> convert these gadgets to similar look & feel, let me know. > >> > >> Maybe I misunderstand what you mean. > >> > >> It's quite hot here in summer, and it is crucial that I keep an > >> eye on my CPU's temperature. There is the difference between "so > >> hot things might be unstable" and "so hot the computer will shut > >> down for safety". Knowing that I'm at the first stage means I > >> know to not trust things, but can keep using my computer if things > >> seem to be fine. Knowing that I'm getting close to the second > >> stage means I know when to just shut it down properly, open the > >> case, and point big fans at it. > > > > This is exactly what I mean with fixing it in the wrong place. Here > > (Brazil) is very hot the whole year, I knew this problem from Athlon > > days :-) > > > > The problem is "what if you're not there to change?". The kernel is > > always there, with the highest priority. There is work to make it > > throttle before more drastic measures. > > > > anyway, I'm just not doing the gadgets theme work. Feel free to work > > on them with the icons I have. You can base the edc from efenniht as > > the icons are basically the same. > > > >> I don't think either of those things is "fixed in the kernel". > >> Only reason why I don't use the E module for those is that it > >> could never show proper results for my motherboard, not even for > >> my last motherboard. lol > > > > at least for intel i7 cpu there is throttling module, it's mandatory > > due the turbo boost feature they provide (using a single core will > > allow it to be overclocked) > > > > > >> Not sure what you mean by "CPU", the only thing I can think of is > >> the cpu and cpufreq modules. As a developer they provide > >> important info to me. On the other hand, I don't use cpu, coz it > >> does not provide a graph, and I use cpufreq, coz I have not found > >> anything that does provide a graph. lol > > > > it's the cpufreq, it is just the filling of a cpu chip icon Marina > > draw. Check efenniht and it's the same. Not a graph indeed. > > > > here it's the same thing, proven that cpu "ondemand" governor is the > > way to go, people even talk about removing other governors one day. > > > > > >> I don't see why these things should not exist for desktops or > >> laptops. Certainly for me at least, they should exist, AND should > >> have more functionality. > > > > go for it, but I'd at least move them to a "dev" or "geek" module > > that aggregates all these things, a gkrellm like module. The > > problem is that most users will not have a clue what are these > > things and get confused. > > > > this last part is not just about cpu/temp modules, there are a huge > > number of modules people have no idea what are... "dbus? what's > > this? why should I turn it on? or off?" Maybe flag these modules > > are "advanced" and just show them in an "advanced" option in modules > > dialog. > > > > I agree. There used to be a time when CPUs, the firmware and the > kernel had trouble keeping the hardware out of trouble, but these > days have long been gone. > There is really no reason to bother the user with temperature, as he > will never have to care even if it rises up to 100 deg celsius. > > A cpufreq module is even worse, especially if it supports userspace > interaction. The linux kernels ondemand governor works good for many > years now, there are no more senseless slowdowns as there used to be > some years back. Having a possibility to make the user interfere > makes him think it might be wise, e.g. setting it to "max > performance" or similar stupid decisions. > > Don't get me wrong, of course it can be neat for curious users to > have those things, but I don't think they should be enabled by > default, and no "standard" user should see them. That's the mistake GNOME makes, thinking that standard users should not see stuff. In E17 land, we let people turn on advanced stuff. So the theme should cater for that to. Plus - people want their red speed stripes and self compiled gentoo distros, thinking it gives them MORE POWAH! grunt grunt grunt. So no need to take away the advanced knobs, even if they no longer really help. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world.
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