On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 2:07 PM, David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:54:53 +0100 Thomas Gstädtner > <tho...@gstaedtner.net> wrote: > >> On So 13 Nov 2011 16:29:02 CET, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> > On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 11:54 AM, David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 04:30:55 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> >> <barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> BTW, I have Marina's icon for CPU & Temp, but I don't use them >> >>> and I think they should not exist for a desktop or laptops >> >>> nowadays (I also know the reasons, but AFAIK they are all fixed >> >>> in the proper places, like the kernel). So if someone wants to >> >>> convert these gadgets to similar look & feel, let me know. >> >> >> >> Maybe I misunderstand what you mean. >> >> >> >> It's quite hot here in summer, and it is crucial that I keep an >> >> eye on my CPU's temperature. There is the difference between "so >> >> hot things might be unstable" and "so hot the computer will shut >> >> down for safety". Knowing that I'm at the first stage means I >> >> know to not trust things, but can keep using my computer if things >> >> seem to be fine. Knowing that I'm getting close to the second >> >> stage means I know when to just shut it down properly, open the >> >> case, and point big fans at it. >> > >> > This is exactly what I mean with fixing it in the wrong place. Here >> > (Brazil) is very hot the whole year, I knew this problem from Athlon >> > days :-) >> > >> > The problem is "what if you're not there to change?". The kernel is >> > always there, with the highest priority. There is work to make it >> > throttle before more drastic measures. >> > >> > anyway, I'm just not doing the gadgets theme work. Feel free to work >> > on them with the icons I have. You can base the edc from efenniht as >> > the icons are basically the same. >> > >> >> I don't think either of those things is "fixed in the kernel". >> >> Only reason why I don't use the E module for those is that it >> >> could never show proper results for my motherboard, not even for >> >> my last motherboard. lol >> > >> > at least for intel i7 cpu there is throttling module, it's mandatory >> > due the turbo boost feature they provide (using a single core will >> > allow it to be overclocked) >> > >> > >> >> Not sure what you mean by "CPU", the only thing I can think of is >> >> the cpu and cpufreq modules. As a developer they provide >> >> important info to me. On the other hand, I don't use cpu, coz it >> >> does not provide a graph, and I use cpufreq, coz I have not found >> >> anything that does provide a graph. lol >> > >> > it's the cpufreq, it is just the filling of a cpu chip icon Marina >> > draw. Check efenniht and it's the same. Not a graph indeed. >> > >> > here it's the same thing, proven that cpu "ondemand" governor is the >> > way to go, people even talk about removing other governors one day. >> > >> > >> >> I don't see why these things should not exist for desktops or >> >> laptops. Certainly for me at least, they should exist, AND should >> >> have more functionality. >> > >> > go for it, but I'd at least move them to a "dev" or "geek" module >> > that aggregates all these things, a gkrellm like module. The >> > problem is that most users will not have a clue what are these >> > things and get confused. >> > >> > this last part is not just about cpu/temp modules, there are a huge >> > number of modules people have no idea what are... "dbus? what's >> > this? why should I turn it on? or off?" Maybe flag these modules >> > are "advanced" and just show them in an "advanced" option in modules >> > dialog. >> > >> >> I agree. There used to be a time when CPUs, the firmware and the >> kernel had trouble keeping the hardware out of trouble, but these >> days have long been gone. >> There is really no reason to bother the user with temperature, as he >> will never have to care even if it rises up to 100 deg celsius. >> >> A cpufreq module is even worse, especially if it supports userspace >> interaction. The linux kernels ondemand governor works good for many >> years now, there are no more senseless slowdowns as there used to be >> some years back. Having a possibility to make the user interfere >> makes him think it might be wise, e.g. setting it to "max >> performance" or similar stupid decisions. >> >> Don't get me wrong, of course it can be neat for curious users to >> have those things, but I don't think they should be enabled by >> default, and no "standard" user should see them. > > That's the mistake GNOME makes, thinking that standard users should not > see stuff. In E17 land, we let people turn on advanced stuff. So the > theme should cater for that to. > > Plus - people want their red speed stripes and self compiled gentoo > distros, thinking it gives them MORE POWAH! grunt grunt grunt. So no > need to take away the advanced knobs, even if they no longer really > help.
Your saying that to two gentoo users ;-) Really, it is solving the problem in the wrong place as I said. What about having a gadget that shows a menu of /sys? MORE POWAH! Then you can go and change every parameter you wish, power!... Ugh, feels awkward, no? That's the same feeling I have when I see temperature and cpu :-) -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -------------------------------------- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ RSA(R) Conference 2012 Save $700 by Nov 18 Register now http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
