On 01/25/2014 10:16 AM, Andrew F wrote: > Thanks simon, > Is your company in America ? > > Thanks. Australia, we sell some products into America though
> > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Simon <si...@simotek.net> wrote: > >> On 01/25/2014 09:35 AM, Andrew F wrote: >>> I have to agree with David's post. >>> We chose you over other options because of the BSD license. It gave us >>> legal protections we could no get with LGPL. >>> >>> BSD Allows start ups to raise funds. Why? because investors are not going >>> to fund a company that can't protects its code. >>> Remember there is no legal ambiguity with the BSD license and plenty with >>> the LGPL. And Legal ambiguity is the kiss of death for investors. >>> >>> With success, funds can be donated back to the base project when using a >>> BSD license. >>> >>> To be honest... I think you cut your nuts off. You could have focused >> on >>> marketing your >>> professional consulting services or development services and raised funds >>> that way. >>> You could also have modified the licensee or added a commercial license. >>> QT seems to be doing very well. >>> You could have also been genuine and simply asked for financial >>> assistance. You could have had fund raisers, on line or in person. >>> BSD unix makes it annual budget with on-line fund raising. >>> >>> And when I say give back after the fact, its not lip service. Not only >> did >>> we intend to give back to e17/e18/3x but >>> we have budgeted for it. In fact we have added LINE ITEMS on our budget >> to >>> cover quarterly donations for open source code that we use. >>> >>> And it makes scene for us. Open source developers develop the base >> product >>> and we put a functional and good looking wrapper on it for end >>> users. Open source teams do what they do well, which is develop core >>> technologies, and we do what we do well, sell and market. >>> ( and build functional and good looking wrappers) >>> >>> So, what do we do now? Find a new desktop? But we have been working >> on >>> e17 /e18 >>> for a while.... Our second choice was QT as they have a commercial >>> license. >> You can use Qt to write applications without a commercial license, they >> have a extension to there lGPL license that clarify's that using enums >> / function calls / whatever from public header files is considered >> general use and does not make a application written with those libraries >> a derivative work. In short you don't need a commercial license to write >> applications that use Qt (According to my company's legal team). I have >> seen other toolkits that clarify the apparent ambiguity in the lGPL by >> making public header files licensed bsd but everything else lGPL. >> >> Cheers >> >> Simon >> >>> On top of finding a new desktop, now I have to adjust our budgets. I >> have >>> to take out a line item. >>> Not a happy camper. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Thomas Strobel <ts...@cam.ac.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 19:14 -0200, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >>>>> this was on purpose. >>>>> >>>>> The recent authors (cedric, me, tom...) decided they didn't like BSD >>>>> as the ancient and the license was hurting us as nobody gave back. >>>>> Then when we created Eina to unify data types in ecore and evas, we >>>>> proposed to do it in LGPL and people accepted, raster was okay with >>>>> that and so we did. >>>>> >>>> Thanks for the explanation. Just out of curiosity, did it help? I mean, >>>> did you get more people to contribute back to the project now? >>>> >>>>> we couldn't change the license of the whole code to LGPL because of >>>>> practical issues (we'd have to contact and get permission of all >>>>> authors), then as the BSD licensed code is basically "casted" into >>>>> LGPL automatically there is no problem in mixing them. >>>>> >>>>> You should consider the thing as LGPL. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Andrew F <andrewfriedman...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>>>> Thomas, >>>>>> Thanks for pointing that out. Good question. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Thomas Strobel <ts...@cam.ac.uk> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i have a question concerning the licensing of EFL. What it the >> thought >>>>>>> behind releasing Eina with LGPL whereas almost everything else is >>>> under >>>>>>> BSD? I mean, Eina is the most fundamental part out of all, but has >> the >>>>>>> least permissive license. 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