On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Andrew F <andrewfriedman...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have to agree with David's post. > We chose you over other options because of the BSD license. It gave us > legal protections we could no get with LGPL. > > BSD Allows start ups to raise funds. Why? because investors are not going > to fund a company that can't protects its code. > Remember there is no legal ambiguity with the BSD license and plenty with > the LGPL. And Legal ambiguity is the kiss of death for investors. > > With success, funds can be donated back to the base project when using a > BSD license.
this is the most full of bullshit email I've read in years. Please check reality, nowadays funds are not raised based on code anymore ehehehhee... are you stuck into the 90's? Given most of today's startups are not even offering binaries of their code to others, because the bulk of intelligence runs on servers, this is irrelevant (unless you use Affero GPL). Then code for mobiles (where you send people binaries) are in a completely new platform/language and in this case EFL is irrelevant as well... so let's cut this bullshit. not to say I doubt I'll live to the day that we find a good soul that got money from investors and is allowed to contribute it in decent amounts to an opensource project. If you have investors they will keep the money to the essentials to bring product to masses and then profit, we "the community" will stay there hoping for something that never happens. > To be honest... I think you cut your nuts off. You could have focused on > marketing your > professional consulting services or development services and raised funds > that way. oh really? but guess what, bsd hurts that. It's tons of times easier to do if it's lgpl. I _DID_ that, I had a company doing exact that, then it was so successful we were booked by major companies, to the point Intel acquired it :-D seriously, if I had bsd I had nothing. As a service provider the product belongs to the client (unless you convince them to pay something that will belong to you) and you can't force them to give back nothing. with lgpl you can force them to, at least, give back the changes to infrastructure (efl, kernel, ...) and you then use this better technology to provide new customer with better base and deliver new services. > You could also have modified the licensee or added a commercial license. > QT seems to be doing very well. you're definitely stuck into the 90s. > You could have also been genuine and simply asked for financial > assistance. You could have had fund raisers, on line or in person. > BSD unix makes it annual budget with on-line fund raising. WAT? > And when I say give back after the fact, its not lip service. Not only did > we intend to give back to e17/e18/3x but > we have budgeted for it. In fact we have added LINE ITEMS on our budget to > cover quarterly donations for open source code that we use. > > And it makes scene for us. Open source developers develop the base product > and we put a functional and good looking wrapper on it for end > users. Open source teams do what they do well, which is develop core > technologies, and we do what we do well, sell and market. > ( and build functional and good looking wrappers) oh dear, different universe? Look there, the originator of that license.. the super-successful BSD! It managed to be the most successful server OS, then got every other OS from the embedded... but not. BSD were closer to achieve success in server (FreeBSD) and embedded (NetBSD) than Linux, but their license (and developer mindset -- I'd add) brought then to the current situation. The "most successful" BSD out there is Darwin, that diverged from public years (decade?) ago... then a company may do something, and the community is still hoping for something back (money, technology). > So, what do we do now? Find a new desktop? But we have been working on > e17 /e18 > for a while.... Our second choice was QT as they have a commercial > license. > > On top of finding a new desktop, now I have to adjust our budgets. I have > to take out a line item. > Not a happy camper. What are you talking about? Define "our budget" and "we have"... This happened in 2008, why are you saying this in 2014? E17/18, Elementary... ALL were released in that state, depending on LGPL. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri -------------------------------------- Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 Contact: http://www.gustavobarbieri.com.br/contact ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel