On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 23:05:21 +0000 Andrew F <andrewfriedman...@gmail.com> said:
> I have to agree with David's post. > We chose you over other options because of the BSD license. It gave us > legal protections we could no get with LGPL. > > BSD Allows start ups to raise funds. Why? because investors are not going > to fund a company that can't protects its code. > Remember there is no legal ambiguity with the BSD license and plenty with > the LGPL. And Legal ambiguity is the kiss of death for investors. what ambiguity causes problems for you? you ship efl binaries and ship/make available the source to those binaries. anything you build on top is yours to license as you please. companies with far larger legal teams have done thumbs-up for lgpl for a very long time FOR the purposes of shipping proprietary code based on top of it. > With success, funds can be donated back to the base project when using a > BSD license. > > To be honest... I think you cut your nuts off. You could have focused on > marketing your > professional consulting services or development services and raised funds > that way. > You could also have modified the licensee or added a commercial license. > QT seems to be doing very well. > You could have also been genuine and simply asked for financial > assistance. You could have had fund raisers, on line or in person. > BSD unix makes it annual budget with on-line fund raising. > > And when I say give back after the fact, its not lip service. Not only did > we intend to give back to e17/e18/3x but > we have budgeted for it. In fact we have added LINE ITEMS on our budget to > cover quarterly donations for open source code that we use. that's great - if you survived that long. :) > And it makes scene for us. Open source developers develop the base product > and we put a functional and good looking wrapper on it for end > users. Open source teams do what they do well, which is develop core > technologies, and we do what we do well, sell and market. > ( and build functional and good looking wrappers) > > So, what do we do now? Find a new desktop? But we have been working on > e17 /e18 > for a while.... Our second choice was QT as they have a commercial > license. > > On top of finding a new desktop, now I have to adjust our budgets. I have > to take out a line item. > Not a happy camper. i have to say that if you made your plans based on the ASSUMPTION of license without reading all the details - then this is the price you pay. we've been very plain and up-front about the licences of efl components. we have over the years even tried to make it easier. with the efl tree now it lists them in a single location as a nice compact list. > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Thomas Strobel <ts...@cam.ac.uk> wrote: > > > On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 19:14 -0200, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > > > this was on purpose. > > > > > > The recent authors (cedric, me, tom...) decided they didn't like BSD > > > as the ancient and the license was hurting us as nobody gave back. > > > Then when we created Eina to unify data types in ecore and evas, we > > > proposed to do it in LGPL and people accepted, raster was okay with > > > that and so we did. > > > > > > > Thanks for the explanation. Just out of curiosity, did it help? I mean, > > did you get more people to contribute back to the project now? > > > > > we couldn't change the license of the whole code to LGPL because of > > > practical issues (we'd have to contact and get permission of all > > > authors), then as the BSD licensed code is basically "casted" into > > > LGPL automatically there is no problem in mixing them. > > > > > > You should consider the thing as LGPL. > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Andrew F <andrewfriedman...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > Thomas, > > > > Thanks for pointing that out. Good question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Thomas Strobel <ts...@cam.ac.uk> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hello, > > > >> > > > >> i have a question concerning the licensing of EFL. What it the thought > > > >> behind releasing Eina with LGPL whereas almost everything else is > > under > > > >> BSD? I mean, Eina is the most fundamental part out of all, but has the > > > >> least permissive license. 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