On 05/16/2017 04:21 PM, Stefan Schmidt wrote: > Hello. > > On 05/16/2017 01:17 AM, Simon Lees wrote: >> >> >> On 05/16/2017 07:09 AM, Vincent Torri wrote: >>> https://ffmpeg.org/developer.html#Code-of-conduct >>> >> >> I don't think a code of conduct is really necessary here, my reading of >> this thread having spent some time talking to William on IRC in the >> prior is that if people communicated with some care none of this would >> have ever happened. >> >> I'm going to call people out here because they should know and do >> better. Raster your communication in this thread has been that of an >> utter jerk I don't think I missed anything but there was absolutely no >> reason why you should have started using the language and tone you did. >> >> Had you written one clear email better outlining the way the project >> works in a nicer tone i'm guessing this would be resolved and there >> would be no issue. An example of this could be yes any developer may >> push a simple work around fix to any repo as they see it (although if >> they are not active there its best to first check with someone who is) >> at a later date if someone comes up with a better fix they can just >> revert the temporary fix. >> >> Had you communicated with me in the way you communicated with William >> when I first joined the project I wouldn't still be here now. From >> everything i've seen William seems like a decent person with good >> intentions who has seen a problem (the lack of a decent simple text >> editor for enlightenment) and is trying to fix that problem we really >> should be encouraging people like that not putting them off. We have >> often spoken about ways to get people better engaged with the community >> both from inside and outside Samsung, what you have done in this thread >> is taken someone who was actively trying to get involved in our >> community and turned them away, which is really quite disappointing. I >> know your busy at TDC but I suggest that once your back you should go >> out of your way to try and repair the situation your poor communication >> has caused. There is nothing wrong with the action you did in commenting >> out some code (within how we tend to work as a community) but your >> communication around it absolutely stank. >> >> I'm also going to call out Stephen because in this thread you simply >> acted like a Jerk without adding anything of meaning to the discussion. >> >> To finish let me be clear if someone comes in here acting like an arse I >> have no problem with them being put in there place and sent away our >> community shouldn't have to tolerate people being arses, but in this >> case there was someone doing there best in good faith to do everything >> right by the community and they were treated appallingly by senior >> members of our community for no good reason and thats just not on. > > I agree that the shushing for raster and Stephen is deserved. > > What I not agree with is the painting of William as an innocent victim > here. He had the same impact on this exploding situation. > > I never had contact with him before (neither IRC nor mail) besides this > thread and I see tons on snide remarks from his side. Almost in every > mail. So, Simon, if you are going to shush people, William should also > be part of it. >
Well i'm not saying he is perfect, but I didn't see anything completely unreasonable from my communication with him (I suspect that other developers may have). he obviously had some role in this but I expect a higher standard from established members of the community having said that snide remarks are almost never helpful and should be discouraged. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B
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