On 05/16/2017 09:39 AM, Stephen Houston wrote: > Simon you are just wrong here. You have no idea how he treated others on > IRC and other places before any of this happened. Everything he got in this > thread was well deserved. I speak for others who didn't want to be a part > of this mailing list thread as well, for various reasons. He got every bit > of what he deserved. He is in no way innocent and this was in no way > remotely his first correspondence. He has been acting this way and > starting fights with every developer he could get to talk to him. He had it > coming.
Well that is about the complete opposite of my correspondence with him on IRC. Which spanned many conversations over a week or so, so i'm not sure what changed and lead to your experience being different. > > On Mon, May 15, 2017, 6:18 PM Simon Lees <sfl...@suse.de> wrote: > >> >> >> On 05/16/2017 07:09 AM, Vincent Torri wrote: >>> https://ffmpeg.org/developer.html#Code-of-conduct >>> >> >> I don't think a code of conduct is really necessary here, my reading of >> this thread having spent some time talking to William on IRC in the >> prior is that if people communicated with some care none of this would >> have ever happened. >> >> I'm going to call people out here because they should know and do >> better. Raster your communication in this thread has been that of an >> utter jerk I don't think I missed anything but there was absolutely no >> reason why you should have started using the language and tone you did. >> >> Had you written one clear email better outlining the way the project >> works in a nicer tone i'm guessing this would be resolved and there >> would be no issue. An example of this could be yes any developer may >> push a simple work around fix to any repo as they see it (although if >> they are not active there its best to first check with someone who is) >> at a later date if someone comes up with a better fix they can just >> revert the temporary fix. >> >> Had you communicated with me in the way you communicated with William >> when I first joined the project I wouldn't still be here now. From >> everything i've seen William seems like a decent person with good >> intentions who has seen a problem (the lack of a decent simple text >> editor for enlightenment) and is trying to fix that problem we really >> should be encouraging people like that not putting them off. We have >> often spoken about ways to get people better engaged with the community >> both from inside and outside Samsung, what you have done in this thread >> is taken someone who was actively trying to get involved in our >> community and turned them away, which is really quite disappointing. I >> know your busy at TDC but I suggest that once your back you should go >> out of your way to try and repair the situation your poor communication >> has caused. There is nothing wrong with the action you did in commenting >> out some code (within how we tend to work as a community) but your >> communication around it absolutely stank. >> >> I'm also going to call out Stephen because in this thread you simply >> acted like a Jerk without adding anything of meaning to the discussion. >> >> To finish let me be clear if someone comes in here acting like an arse I >> have no problem with them being put in there place and sent away our >> community shouldn't have to tolerate people being arses, but in this >> case there was someone doing there best in good faith to do everything >> right by the community and they were treated appallingly by senior >> members of our community for no good reason and thats just not on. >> >> Now it would be nice if those involved took a step back and had a think >> about the way they've behaved and then deal with this again in a few >> days and hopefully come to a better resolution. Personally i'm looking >> forward to using ecrire and shipping it in openSUSE. >> >> >>> >>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Andrew Williams <a...@andywilliams.me> >> wrote: >>>> Hi Team, Friends and Community, >>>> >>>> Can we please take a breath, think about how we would like to be >> thought of >>>> and consider this when we fire out emails to this list. We are a >> community, >>>> a diverse community at that, and I love it - there is something for >>>> everyone independent of interest, background or experience level. >>>> >>>> Looking at this email thread I am worried. Not for any particular >> message >>>> but because of the general inclination to forget that, as a community, >> we >>>> are all looking to progress the libraries, APIs and applications that >>>> encapsulate our understanding of what a great environment can be. Can we >>>> all please step back for a moment and see the good intention or >> reasoning >>>> behind the communications rather than what seems to be the reverse. >>>> >>>> Words like ownership, blame, fault and rights do not befit a community >> that >>>> has developed for so long as ours to embrace contribution from so many >>>> angles. I for one want to feel that we are, without exception, >>>> communicating in a way that we think is an example of how we would like >>>> others to consider approaching ourselves. Exclusive rights do not exist >> - >>>> everything we do is collaborative and at times we must resolve conflicts >>>> and merge multiple streams of development - that is life and it's a >> great >>>> thing to progress and deliver meaningful products for a wide community. >>>> >>>> I understand that many of these messages come from personal passion or >> from >>>> deep understanding of what we want to do - but as these are largely >>>> internal factors we must strive to understand both to progress forward. >> Can >>>> we please do more to understand each other as we discuss where >>>> understanding may be lacking or assumptions are not accurate? >>>> >>>> Imaginging for a moment if I were a completely new comer to this >> community >>>> and I saw such a discussion I would certainly be disheartened and may >> fail >>>> to get far enough to see the fantastic tech and possibilities that EFL >>>> should be bringing to the world. >>>> >>>> Thanks for taking the time to read, I appreciate it and hope that some >>>> reflection could help us to better build on the work of those both >> internal >>>> and external to the core project. >>>> >>>> Looking forward to Malta - a beer is always great for grounding >>>> conversation :) >>>> Andy >>>> >>>> On Mon, 15 May 2017 at 20:14 William L. Thomson Jr. <wlt...@o-sinc.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> At this point in time. I have no interest of gaining access to >>>>> git.e.org repositories. I will continue any and all EFL application >>>>> development outside. >>>>> >>>>> I will consider my work going forward on ecrire to be a fork. I may >>>>> rename it and other things. I really haven't the time for the >>>>> mistreatment or the back and forth. >>>>> >>>>> If this is how new contributors are treated. It really explains why so >>>>> few things are in EFL. I am questioning how crazy I am to stay and not >>>>> run from this community. Though I will not hold all responsible for the >>>>> actions of the main person. I do not need to subject myself to such. >>>>> >>>>> Sadly I can see that leadership has already trickled down into some. It >>>>> is really bad all around. That people who work for Samsung conduct >>>>> themselves that way in public.... >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 15 May 2017 12:44:34 -0400 >>>>> "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt...@o-sinc.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 15 May 2017 16:28:30 +0000 >>>>>> Andrew Williams <a...@andywilliams.me> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi William, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm glad that is now resolved, thanks for figuring it out. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sure, I was already working on it when all the discussion came up. >>>>>> Which is why I commented on others committing. Does not make sense for >>>>>> more than one to work on same problem without discussion or >>>>>> coordination. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Back to the main topic of the thread - is your intention to get this >>>>>>> merged back up to master on git.e.org? I think that will affect the >>>>>>> coding style etc expectations and so forth, so I was interested in >>>>>>> the overall plan :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Merging back into the old repo on git.e.org was the intention. I >>>>>> believe I am following most if not all coding styles etc. Though maybe >>>>>> some places that could use some correction. The code is at least as >>>>>> good as what is in that old repo. >>>>>> >>>>>> How things proceed is up to others. I am continuing on with my >>>>>> development effort. It is pretty moot to me. For now could look to >>>>>> pull my changes into that repo and do that automated daily, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> Beyond that not sure. Still concerned with working in public repos if >>>>>> people will just commit without any coordination or discussion with >>>>>> others. Otherwise I have no issue with my effort being pulled back >>>>>> into main repo. As for any direct commit access, that is rather moot >>>>>> for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is more if you all want the development to be official or third >>>>>> party effort to develop ecrire. It is up to you all to decide. My >>>>>> only thoughts are, if my work is being merged back into ecrire >>>>>> git.e.org repo and I do not have direct commit access. I would not >>>>>> want others working in that repo. I will not be pulling just pushing >>>>>> to git.e.org for any syncing. Just something to keep in mind. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> William L. 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