On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Terminus Est <richterlevan...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi there, > > About a week ago I tried e17 one more time. It's becoming more beautiful, > but I still can't keep it as my sole WM. Why? I will answer: > > 1) There is not a login manager
As replied by Tom, we dropped Entrance since it was bit roting. Quaker plans to come with a new and simpler version, but until it gets there and you really want to be slick, do as I do: start E directly with the screen locked by default. It is very, very likely that the machine is just used by one person, so you can save lots of time, memory and get a faster boot by starting straight to enlightenment_start -locked (you can also set this option using the conf_desklock "Lock When Enlightenment Starts", but the -locked forces it). If you know your system is trustworthy and will not lack JPEG, PNG and other support you can also use -i-really-know-what-i-am-doing-and-accept-full-responsibility-for-it and save those checks. If you do this, you can even request your often used apps are auto-started, doing it while you type your password. > 2) There is not a file manager As Tom already said, there is one. We have some drag&drop bugs, but basics are there, it does its work quire reliably and is fast. It's interface is quite minimalist, but you can set per-directory view modes (list, grid...), icon size and even background/overlay, just right-click and have fun. Everything is auto-saved. > 3) There is not a terminal emulator I guess it will take time until someone takes the burden to do it. As alternative you can use Eterm (imlib2, aka old EFL) or urxvt. I gave up on konsole and got used to urxvt, particularly with the daemon/client approach it is very, very light on memory and fast to startup. If you want tabs, you can use their "tabbed" extension, but I don't like it too much. Be sure to use morlenxus fixed version http://omicron.homeip.net/?blog_id=74 > 4) There is not a music player Well, we have media centers, but not stand alone music player. I guess this is a hard topic as mileage may vary. For instance, I use Amarok, but after 1.4 it is getting more and more bloated for my use case (load 20gb collection and play random, sometimes look for a particular music or album and play it). Some people like mpd, then we have some EFL front-ends. Some people use xmms2 and are happy with it. So you basically have to think of your requirements and not technology there. My company is about to write a simple music player to be used as an embedded media player, mostly for demo. We already have one called "enjoy", but the next one will use Elementary instead of Guarana (our tech based on EFL). So maybe it will come, but don't put too much expectation as being a full-featured player as Amarok. > The three first ones are really needed. Xdm is so ugly... and if I'd install > Konsole, Dolphin, Nautilus, KDM or GDM Login Managers, better to install the > whole respective DM's, because those apps requires most of the respective > DM's libs. > > The fourth is a personal feeling. I would really like some music player > that's integrated into e17. > > Also, it's a pain to configure some small things, like shortcuts, integrate > mouse-theme to GTK and QT apps, etc... That's basically up to the distros. I do have QtGtkStyle to have Qt to use Gtk's style, and a Gtk style called "e17" that resembles Black&white theme. http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/E17+B_and_W?content=95680 or http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/E17_Theme_B_W_OpenGEU_by_verdegal37?content=118903 You cannot make Gnome or KDE use E17 icon and cursor theme, because these are done in Edje. But you can do the other way around, just disable E17's cursor and it will use X/Gnome/KDE set, and you can have your FreeDesktop.Org icon theme to override E17, just use the "Icon Theme" configuration dialog. > I'm sure EFL is powerful enough to bring to life all those must-have apps. > But someone has told me there are alternatives to Amarok and Konsole. I > would like to know which ones, because I can't find anything nearly as > powerful as those two && that doesn't require the majority of GTK libs > (therefore, turning my desktop into a semi-gnome one; better to install > Ubuntu, kill GDM and run e17 to draw the desktop instead). > > I'm sorry if I sound unhappy; that's not the case. It's just like a > beautiful car that doesn't have seats: it is still beautiful, but highly > unusable. I really think e17 is the most beautiful DM out there, but it > misses some tools that force me to almost install another whole DM just to > use some of its tools. That is fair, we understand you. But focus is to release core libraries and the window manager as the major sample of features they allow. That should attract more developers, that in turn can help with more applications. > Thank you and congratulations for the good and beautiful work. You're welcome. 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