Don,

I am in complete agreement about the term Native Invasive.  It is an oxymoron 
and should be abandonned.  The concept trying to be expressed is interesting 
however.  Consider that something might cause the explosive increase in the 
number of one native species to the detriment of others that would normally be 
expected in an area.  In other examples a single species may be present in 
greater numbers than in the adjacent areas because of some specific type of 
disturbance.  This condition may persist for a long time or be relatively 
ephemeral min nature.  In this regard I am thinking of the Marion Brooks 
Natural Area in PA.  Here the location was logged, then a massive fire burnt 
the area destroying most of the organic material and soil structure.  the area 
was pioneered by white birch.  This occurred 80 or 90 years ago and the area 
persists as a stand of almost pure white birch.  other species are not 
recolonizing the area as might be expected in a normal disturbed region.  

Another example to a degree might be patches of forests that have limited 
species diversity because of alleopathy of some of the species present.  If 
some of these limited areas were to expand it would be an invasive-like effect 
that limited the diversity of species present in the area compared to the 
normal forest.   

I guess I am just rambling at this point.

Ed


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  From: DON BERTOLETTE 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:12 PM
  Subject: [ENTS] Re: Shrub-layer an empty niche?


  Ryan/Ed-
  From my perspective, the phrase "native invasive" is a contradiction in 
terms, and should be discontinued immediately, lest it gain coinage by being 
"Google-able"....;>}
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