I hope Socratus did not take offense at my derision of the term "Essence", and I hope that you both consider the "scope" of my comments to be restricted to the "realm" of epistemology.... not "physics or hard science" ontology....
All I "sought" to say is that "evolution" , even as to a living "physical being" is bounded by physical certainty.....the basic "physical" building blocks of matter cannot "evolve".... they can be broken down and re-arranged... but that is according to "doable" physical processes... not from "nothing" and into something that is not "possible" under any circumstances.....a rock (in and of itself) cannot "evolve" into a rabbit....can it? On Friday, May 23, 2014 10:29:58 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote: > > I find the drive for explanation odd, though by no means unwelcome. The > general human world seems almost entirely mad, little better than the > world-views anthropology reveals, despite our science. Physics has its > fossil record, with most of what we live in locally down to a couple of > quarks and the electron. The digging is rather more complex than that of > the archaeologist with her spade and brush. Biological intelligence may > well produce little more than Nominal's greenhouse gas and biological > evolution itself, seen from the future, may be little more than a small > phase. The thought of humans flying through space playing out current soap > opera fills me with dread, the lack of consideration of pleasure with Data > or Seven-of-Nine appalling. > > We already have the concept of ourselves as hapless vessels of the > gene-machine, and know of such as the sperm wars and our existence in a > co-evolutionary arms' race. That we might be a transitory tool in a > universe developing for its own 'purposes' might be a better vision than > the Attic tragedies of literature. The bleak current is our powerlessness > in some economic system that burns and poisons the planet we need to > survive and in which we vote for various mad-to-be despots leading us on > the charge to the centre of this volcano. Let's face it, we humans are > unlikely to survive each other. Currently, we would have to leave this > planet through space hostile to biology reliant on gravity, needing > protection from space weather, in the hope of a planet not with > micro-organisms 'waiting to eat us'. Even there, we would still be in a > universe expanding to 'photon heat death' and have to set ourselves to > moving to another one. > > Could there be another evolution going on that might assimilate us to an > actual intelligent form, capable of a very different relation in what we > currently describe as a particle field, or various addresses in space-time? > Biology has long considered an information world, but we seem to have > little idea of what we might be other than as Nominal's fart-producers in > 'essence'. What is Socratus' Planck-small in our gravity-focused address? > > On Wednesday, 4 December 2013 18:55:24 UTC, nominal9 wrote: >> >> Like I said elsewhere... ESSENCE... BAD WORD.... I think "essence" is >> "stinky" word....like "essence" meaning odor that comes from "Anus"....that >> is about all that the "notion of Essence" is worth... Phenomenological >> Superstition......waste of your time, Socratus, ....in my opinion... >> >> On Saturday, November 30, 2013 12:24:15 AM UTC-5, socratus sadovnik wrote: >>> >>> What/where is the essence of quantum evolutionary theory ? >>>> >>>> In my opinion the essence is hidden in >>>> >>>> * The theory of Quantum Electrodynamics*. >>>> >>>> As the QED is studied interaction between energy >>>> >>>> (photon/electron) with matter so it needed to pay attention >>>> >>>> on these two parallel ways of quantum evolution. >>>> >>>> ==.. >>>> >>>> *The classical physicist (biophysicist) * must all time keep >>>> >>>> in the mind the Planck's constant because the life /evolution >>>> >>>> begins on the quantum level: h , h*=h/2pi , QED. >>>> >>>> ==.. >>>> >>>> socratus >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to epistemology+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to epistemology@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
