The sudden braking was caused by the radar. That one reason the removed it from the latest vehicles
Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, July 10, 2021, 12:50 PM, Peter Eckhoff via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: As a Tesla owner, I don't disagree with your statements in this thread. I think it would be more appropriate to add the word "Semi- as a prefix to both AutoPilot and Full Self-Driving and even drop the words: "Full" and "Auto". Then we would have truth in advertising. Mush was interviewed by Sandy Munro and mentioned a number of situations and lamented the not so standard way pavement lines are applied to roads especially around road construction. So he is aware of a number of these situations. I understand what Musk wants to achieve and the reality of trying to cope with all the niche situations that occur while driving. He can nail a first stage rocket landing on a barge out in the Atlantic time and again. The only thing that gets in the way may be a hapless seagull who gets its tail feathers singed. On land, the list of niche situations that have to be considered appears almost endless and I've encountered a number of ghost braking incidents to the point, I do not trust Auto-Pilot. I understand what it wants to achieve but the reality is that it is not ready for Prime Time. My recommendation would be to create systems that advise the driver of hazardous situations such as a vehicle in front quickly decelerating, rear traffic crossing (when pulling out of a parking space), etc. The idea is to prevent collisions by engaging the driver via sensor alerts. I love what Chevy did in the Bolt (Premier edition) with its tail camera feed to the rear view mirror and its rear cross traffic warning system when backing out from a parking space. The latter has detected cars **and** pedestrians. It's done a good job in all cases. Blind spot detection in my Model 3 is useless. I rely only on my mirrors and turning my head; not on the terminal presentation I've gone back and forth between driving my Bolt and Model 3 and I think the Model 3 is a much better car for what I want to do with it (e.g., travel long distances). I keep asking myself, "If I had achieved all that Musk has achieved, would I be more modest?" I'm not sure if I could honestly answer that in the affirmative. But I am sure I would be listening to my critics about improving Tesla safety systems over my fantasies of having Full Self-Driving cars real soon. On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 8:02 AM Jay Summet via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > > On 7/9/21 11:55 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > > But, honestly, if the driver is paying attention and autopilot shuts > > down, what's to lose ? Up to that point, either autopilot was driving > > the car correctly, in which case the driver should be able to continue > > just fine without it. Or, autopilot was not driving correctly in which > > case the driver should have already taken over. I am having a hard time > > to imagine a situation where Tesla or autopilot can be blamed for a > > crash unless it actually prevented the driver from taking over, and that > > has never happened as far as I know. > > Yes, the driver is still responsible, but the big issue is that Tesla > advertises it as an "auto-pilot" or "full self driving (beta)" that is > designed to (eventually) drive your care with no required supervision > from the driver. > > Every other car manufacturer calls it "lane assist" or "intelligent > cruse control" or "freeway driving assistant", which more accurately > gives the user the impression that it's a fallible assistant that needs > to be directly supervised, and not something that you would even > consider tying a weight to your steering wheel and watching a movie with. > > This leads to people using it (and trusting it?) in dangerous situations > where if it cuts out things go wrong very quickly. > > See for example: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ATJaVTpviQ > > > > There is also an issue of how much time a driver needs to recognize that > the auto-pilot has failed and take control. 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