Another good point from Bryce! Yes, too many people already use "portable" plug connected EVSEs as permanent solutions simply because the permanent solution costs more. Now it's going to really go up!
On Mon, Jan 26, 2026 at 9:29 AM Bryce Nesbitt via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > This applies to hardwired EVSE, public or private. > It was copied from the NFPA 30 gas station standards and was indeed > targeted at L3 public charging stations. However the regulatory > impact is much wider. > > As we know receptacles (NEMA 14-50 5-15, 6-50) have been melting > pretty frequently in service > under EV loads. Anything that raises the cost of hardwiring likely > tips the cost scale in favor of receptacle outlets in the marketplace. > And THAT will reduce reliability. > > My comment to the NFPA will be along that lines: > > "An "emergency disconnect" (supposedly to protect first responders) for a > hardwired EVSE is redundant, as the GFCI will already serve this purpose. > In fact, the EVSE is safer than any other wiring in the building." > > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2026 at 7:21 AM Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Sorry, but could you explain a bit. I skimmed through the TIA language > > but it seemed ok to me. It seems to apply mostly to level 3 hardwired > > installations where they want an emergency power disconnect. This is > > similar to outdoor HVAC units, which also require a disconnect within a > > certain distance of the units. It doesn't appear to apply to plug-in > > level 2 EVSEs. > > > > Peri > > > > << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Bryce Nesbitt via EV" <[email protected]> > > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> > > Cc: "Bryce Nesbitt" <[email protected]> > > Sent: 25-Jan-26 23:21:20 > > Subject: [EVDL] January 27, 2026 : Deadline for comments on TIA #1874 > > > > >January 27, 2026 : Deadline for comments on TIA #1874 > > > > > >Time critical update on highly impactful TIA Log No.: 1874 on > > >shutoffs, affecting reliability of multifamily garages and remote > > >charging stations: > > >Comment Closing Date: January 27, 2026 > > >Submitter: Kris Dooley, Department of Homeland Security National Urban > Security > > > > > >The overall shutoff requirement confuses gas stations and EV stations, > applying > > >a gas station rule to EV charging. > > > > > > > https://docinfofiles.nfpa.org/files/AboutTheCodes/70/NFPA_70_Proposed_TIA_1874.pdf > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Address messages to [email protected] > > >No other addresses in TO and CC fields > > >HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20260126/48157e73/attachment.htm > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Address messages to [email protected] > > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to [email protected] > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20260126/9173892c/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ Address messages to [email protected] No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
