On 11 Jul 2012, at 22:17, meekerdb wrote:
On 7/11/2012 6:23 AM, David Nyman wrote:
On 11 July 2012 09:55, Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com> wrote:
Even the phisical TOE is part of this second world. there are no
countries, no cars, no persons, no electrons outside of the world
of the mind. Outside of the mind there is only mathematics. And
this math has been anthropically selected by the mind.
Well put. Mind - the epistemological subject - is uniquely
characterised by its irreducibly synthetic or compositional
character, the reverse polarity of a maximally reduced, "objective"
ontology.
But it isn't uniquely characterized by that. I don't even know what
"irreducibly synthetic" means. I know what "synthetic" means; it
means made (synthesized) of something else, it means artificial, not
natural?? But in any case "the subject", the first-person, is also
singular and persistent thru time.
There is certainly a tension between knowledge which is subjective
and gained from perception and the model of the world based on it
which is third-person communicable. When we bestow the property
"exists" on the ontology of the third-person world model, we then
take on the task of explaining the first-person subjective in terms
of that model. Everyone on this list (except me) seems to assume
this impossible.
Neither me. Just that if comp is true we got a simpler ontology.
This is just the flip side of Bruno's task of explaining the third-
person world in terms of subjective knowledge
Not at all. I explain the *physical* world in term of first person
plural world, themselves describe in third person arithmetic.
Comp is not idealist.
which he models by computational relations like "provable".
Provable = objective (doubtful) belief
Provable and true/satisfied-in-a-reality = Subjective knowledge (the
communicable part).
(Incompleteness forces us to make those nuances).
Bruno
Brent
This is implicitly assumed by everyone, but explicitly acknowledged
by hardly anybody. Consequently the typical response whenever I
express this thought is blank incomprehension.
David
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