On 7/11/2012 6:23 AM, David Nyman wrote:
On 11 July 2012 09:55, Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com
<mailto:agocor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Even the phisical TOE is part of this second world. there are no countries,
no cars,
no persons, no electrons outside of the world of the mind. Outside of the
mind
there is only mathematics. And this math has been anthropically selected by
the mind.
Well put. Mind - the epistemological subject - is uniquely characterised by its
irreducibly synthetic or compositional character, the reverse polarity of a maximally
reduced, "objective" ontology.
But it isn't uniquely characterized by that. I don't even know what "irreducibly
synthetic" means. I know what "synthetic" means; it means made (synthesized) of something
else, it means artificial, not natural?? But in any case "the subject", the first-person,
is also singular and persistent thru time.
There is certainly a tension between knowledge which is subjective and gained from
perception and the model of the world based on it which is third-person communicable.
When we bestow the property "exists" on the ontology of the third-person world model, we
then take on the task of explaining the first-person subjective in terms of that model.
Everyone on this list (except me) seems to assume this impossible. This is just the flip
side of Bruno's task of explaining the third-person world in terms of subjective knowledge
which he models by computational relations like "provable".
Brent
This is implicitly assumed by everyone, but explicitly acknowledged by hardly anybody.
Consequently the typical response whenever I express this thought is blank incomprehension.
David
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