Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy A more powwerful way to steal from the future is to continue govt spending as it is.
But to get back to the issue, I'll let the market decide. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-13, 09:50:52 Subject: Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy Hi Roger On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy I always let the market decide. Please. It's peoples' behavior that determines market. And it has decided: you can steal from the coming generations by allowing energy industry to continue stealing from you or you can work to lower long term costs for your friends and family, the people you live with, local interests and community, energy independence and profit in long term. But sure, go ahead, think that gas and utilities prices will keep falling as dramatically as they have. ? You can't go wrong that way. I doubt Leibniz would agree. Harnessing energy all around us instead of burning, drilling etc. is the least materialistic prospect for now, concerning energy. Additionally, both Jesus and numbers of straight market economics over the long run, and if you're smart even in short to mid term (I know people who are making profit TODAY by mixing their energy needs with contributing energy themselves; the moment you can afford to do this, it makes sense from any economic point of view), do not cohere with your infallibility derived from market + short-term perspective. Also, you could consider dealing the most harmful, addictive drugs and/or get into organized crime: the market has decided these to be very lucrative. But drop the Jesus and God talk for now on, because your usage and relationship to personal theology seems pretty clear now. Thanks for sharing. PGC -------------- ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/13/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-12, 11:06:43 Subject: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy Hi Roger, On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Roger Clough ?rote: The unpredictability of solar energy ? I've lost the page ref for the graph below, but it's typical of numerous other graphs of the daily variation in solar energy on the internet. (For a comparison see solar variations on http://www.bigindianabass.com/big_indiana_bass/2010/01/yearly-water-temps-precip-and-solar-energy.html?) ? The hourly variation would be much worse, since the sun does not shine at night. ? The variation from day to day is unpredicatable and enormous, going from?ear 0 Ly to almost 100 Ly. This is probably due to variable cloud cover, not auto exhaust emissions. ? I'll stay with conventional electric power, thank you very much. ? ? ? ? Ly. Langley, a measurement of solar energy. One langley is equal to one gram-calorie per square centimeter. A gram-calorie is the amount of heat required to raise the temperature of one gram of water one degree Celsius. ? ? Good for you but perhaps bad for your wallet in long term. In Germany, many are starting to see that independence from fossil fuel monopolies is not just ideological... it turns citizens into energy traders instead of big oil slaves. See: In Germany, where sensible federal rules have fast-tracked and streamlined the permit process, the costs are considerably lower. It can take as little as eight days to license and install a solar system on a house in Germany. In the United States, depending on your state, the average ranges from 120 to 180 days. More than one million Germans have installed solar panels on their roofs. Australia also has a streamlined permitting process and has solar panels on 10 percent of its homes. Solar photovoltaic power would give America the potential to challenge the utility monopolies, democratize energy generation and transform millions of homes and small businesses into energy generators. Rational, market-based rules could turn every American into an energy entrepreneur. That transition to renewable power could create millions of domestic jobs and power in this country with American resourcefulness, initiative and entrepreneurial energy while taking a substantial bite out of the nation? emissions of greenhouse gases and other dangerous pollutants. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/13/opinion/solar-panels-for-every-home.html?_r=0 It's really not an ideological green vs. conservative matter. People just don't like being stolen from. The energy monopolies "thank YOUR wallet very much", as for solar panel users, we don't care if people have ideological axes to grind for which they want to pay, instead of trading themselves with that little patch of sunshine that everybody owns. For most I know, it's not an either/or thing anyway; everybody just wants to transition to energy that costs less in long term and that brings cash into the household, instead of burning it. To not give the wrong impression: these moves make politics more complex and we have huge problems facing us with renewable energy in terms of costly infrastructure and higher electricity bills in short to midterm, which this entails. But we can still opt for companies with fossil fuel based cheaper energy. And if people are starting to make money in sunny Germany where everybody goes for abundant sunshine and beaches, then for many parts of the US this would mean... PGC ---- ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 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