Neither the state neither the market can build a society. It a question of something more, that has a fundamental ingredient: the contact with reality. When a person believe that receiving from the taxpayer two three four times the market price for his solar electricity, and still think that he is doing someting good for them. When a central banker believes that fabricating credit out of nothing for state caprices or fanciful business would create wealth and not create unpayable debts and/or a degraded money . When an elected politician or a influential intellectual or businessman incentivates promotes, advertises or subsidizes people, attitudes of ideologies whose main purpose is to aniquilate us, our past, present and future, If every problem had a new law, new taxes a new government body over the back of the taxpayer, then there is no human institution that can work and no society that can go along.
Since many time ago, these attitudes were in a path of direct collision with reality, and our actual situation see the consequences of that shock that is happening now. 2013/1/14 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> > > On 13 Jan 2013, at 12:03, Roger Clough wrote: > > Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy >> >> I always let the market decide. >> You can't go wrong that way. >> > > I agree with you on this, but only if the press, the justice, the > politics, the police, ..., are kept independent. Which is no more the case. > > The prohibition laws have been a Trojan Horse for the bandits (since > Nixon). > > The market does no more refer to the needs. > > This leads to the contrary of what the market decide. > > Lobbying should be forbidden. > > The state should interfere with much less than today. > > Our democracies are very sick. A large part of the market is build on > lies, this rotten all levels of the human society. > > Bruno > > > > > > >> >> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] >> 1/13/2013 >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy >> Receiver: everything-list >> Time: 2013-01-12, 11:06:43 >> Subject: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy >> >> >> Hi Roger, >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >> >> The unpredictability of solar energy >> ? >> I've lost the page ref for the graph below, but it's typical >> of numerous other graphs of the daily variation in solar energy on the >> internet. >> (For a comparison see solar variations on >> http://www.bigindianabass.com/**big_indiana_bass/2010/01/** >> yearly-water-temps-precip-and-**solar-energy.html<http://www.bigindianabass.com/big_indiana_bass/2010/01/yearly-water-temps-precip-and-solar-energy.html> >> ?) >> ? >> The hourly variation would be much worse, since the sun does not shine at >> night. >> ? >> The variation from day to day is unpredicatable and enormous, >> going from?ear 0 Ly to almost 100 Ly. This is probably due to variable >> cloud cover, not auto exhaust emissions. >> ? >> I'll stay with conventional electric power, thank you very much. >> ? >> ? >> >> ? >> ? >> Ly. Langley, a measurement of solar energy. One langley is equal to one >> gram-calorie per square centimeter. >> A gram-calorie is the amount of heat required to raise the temperature of >> one gram of water one degree Celsius. >> ? >> ? >> >> Good for you but perhaps bad for your wallet in long term. In Germany, >> many are starting to see that independence from fossil fuel monopolies is >> not just ideological... it turns citizens into energy traders instead of >> big oil slaves. >> >> See: >> >> In Germany, where sensible federal rules have fast-tracked and >> streamlined the permit process, the costs are considerably lower. It can >> take as little as eight days to license and install a solar system on a >> house in Germany. In the United States, depending on your state, the >> average ranges from 120 to 180 days. More than one million Germans have >> installed solar panels on their roofs. Australia also has a streamlined >> permitting process and has solar panels on 10 percent of its homes. Solar >> photovoltaic power would give America the potential to challenge the >> utility monopolies, democratize energy generation and transform millions of >> homes and small businesses into energy generators. Rational, market-based >> rules could turn every American into an energy entrepreneur. That >> transition to renewable power could create millions of domestic jobs and >> power in this country with American resourcefulness, initiative and >> entrepreneurial energy while taking a substantial bite out of the nation? >> emissions of greenhouse gases and other dangerous pollutants. >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/**12/13/opinion/solar-panels-** >> for-every-home.html?_r=0<http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/13/opinion/solar-panels-for-every-home.html?_r=0> >> >> It's really not an ideological green vs. conservative matter. People just >> don't like being stolen from. >> >> The energy monopolies "thank YOUR wallet very much", as for solar panel >> users, we don't care if people have ideological axes to grind for which >> they want to pay, instead of trading themselves with that little patch of >> sunshine that everybody owns. >> >> For most I know, it's not an either/or thing anyway; everybody just wants >> to transition to energy that costs less in long term and that brings cash >> into the household, instead of burning it. >> >> To not give the wrong impression: these moves make politics more complex >> and we have huge problems facing us with renewable energy in terms of >> costly infrastructure and higher electricity bills in short to midterm, >> which this entails. But we can still opt for companies with fossil fuel >> based cheaper energy. >> >> And if people are starting to make money in sunny Germany where everybody >> goes for abundant sunshine and beaches, then for many parts of the US this >> would mean... >> PGC >> >> ---- >> >> >> ? >> ? >> ? >> ? >> ? >> ? >> ? >> ? >> ? >> ? >> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] >> 1/12/2013 >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to >> everything-list@googlegroups.**com<everything-list@googlegroups.com> >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com<everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >> . >> >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to >> everything-list@googlegroups.**com<everything-list@googlegroups.com> >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com<everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >> . >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to >> everything-list@googlegroups.**com<everything-list@googlegroups.com> >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com<everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >> . >> >> > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~**marchal/ <http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/> > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to > everything-list@googlegroups.**com<everything-list@googlegroups.com> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscribe@ > **googlegroups.com <everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> > . > > -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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