On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Kim Jones <kimjo...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

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> On 17 Jun 2014, at 10:02 pm, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote:
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> What makes a human intelligent is CREATIVITY and that is by now well
>> understood and no, machines (the human constructed ones) cannot do that yet.
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> Kim, what do you think of this:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_antenna
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> I find that very exciting indeed, Telmo. This indeed looks like real
> creativity to me. The process of selecting the right shape came about by a
> random generator followed by evaluation of usefulness. That's precisely
> what Lateral Thinking is and does.
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Glad you liked it!


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> This bit is even more to the point:
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> "The resulting antenna often outperforms the best manual designs, because
> it has a complicated asymmetric shape that could not have been found with
> traditional manual design methods."
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> Creativity involves CURIOSITY ("Suck it and see..."). There is some kind
> of attractor that pulls the interest, the attention for a human that sends
> the mind in a certain direction. Judgement is suspended while exploration
> takes place. The machine on the other hand can approximate that with random
> choice algorithms.
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This is something that I always felt strongly about: the importance of
randomness in "true" AI. I find it somewhat surprising how it is absent
from most discussions of AI, excluding the evolutionary computation
community.


> The only thing missing here from this is self-awareness.
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Maybe...


> Otherwise I would say we have the basis of personhood. So, I was wrong. A
> machine can pull something out of nothing. It's still a bit zombified but
> getting close.
> Thanks.
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Cheers
Telmo.


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> Kim
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