On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: >> Who is traveling through time in a forward direction, Mr. John Clark or >> Mr. John Clark The Helsinki Man? > > > > We have agree that both the W-man and the M-man are the H-man. >
Yes but you didn't answer my question and the answer is important because relationships are not always symmetrical; a dog is always a mammal but a mammal is not always a dog. The W-man and the M-man encompass everything that the H-man was, however they both have additional experiences that the H-man knows nothing about. So although the W-Man and the M-man are the H-man, the H-man is not the M-man, and the H-man is not the W-man, and the M-man is not the W-man. > > We're in Moscow now and John Clark The Moscow Man didn't write that >> diary, John Clark The Helsinki Man did and John Clark Helsinki Man no >> longer exists. > > > > We did agree on this. > Bullshit. > > You are changing your mind here > Bullshit. > > the W-man and the M-man do not feel to be the same person > That's because they are no longer the same person, they both remember being the H-Man but after that they've had different experiences and have different memories. > > it leads to the idea that personal identity is an illusion (which I > think), > And how would things be different if personal identity were not an illusion? > > You don't believe in the christian God, > Yep > > and declare from this that all notion of God are "burp". > I am declaring that at least the Jesus freaks and Islamic nincompoops are saying something, it's not correct but at least they're saying something, and at least they have the courage of their convictions and love the idea of God more than they love the ASCII sequence G-O-D. But your "G-O-D" is just a spineless unintelligent unconscious formless colorless blob of nothing in particular that does nothing in particular except have a name. > > You illustrate only that you are taking *some* definition of free-will, > and of God, too much seriously. > People can defign free will however they want, but before they get into a lengthy discussion about whether humans have free will or not it would be wise to know what the hell the term is supposed to mean. Unfortunately this NEVER happens and so the result is that they very literally don't know what they're talking about. > > the question was asked to the Helsinki-man, about what he expects. As he > does not expect to die > John Clark The Helsinki Man does not expect John Clark to die, but John Clark The Helsinki Man does expect that John Clark The Helsinki Man will die; or to say the same thing with different words, John Clark expects to be just fine but does not expect to experience Helsinki anymore. I know that sounds clunky but as I've said when matter duplicating machines become common the English language is going to need a major overhaul, especially in its use of personal pronouns. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
