On 04 May 2015, at 15:08, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 1:08 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com
> wrote:
I sure did, Telmo. Scroll to the bottom and you shall view my last,
number 26th, the last one.
Ah there you are! And you are not the only one from this list
commenting there, it's a small world.
My bet on computational after-lives is that we are in one already
(an infinity of times), but this is completely transparent to us.
This kind of thing is interesting to me. I tend toward the
materialist stuff since it seems to have potential. The mentalist
stuff seems unreliable because people who have NDE's or trances have
not come back with information.
I would say that the important distinction is between communicable
and non-communicable stuff. Science is about communicable stuff, but
there is personal value in exploring the internal world -- although
it won't get you a nobel prize or even any sort of recognition.
This is because there is no Nobel Prize in Mathematics (not mentioning
Theology).
But you can have the Nobel prize of literature, and some text does
indeed quasi-succeed, perhaps, in communication a bit of the
uncommunicable. Then you can communicate a part conditionally, like if
I am consistent then I can't justify that I am consistent, and the
inetnsional variants.
Bruno
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Sent: Mon, May 4, 2015 4:19 am
Subject: Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!
On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9:19 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com
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Hi Telmo,
I have tried the Other Side stuff for a bit, and found it wanting.
Not so surprising... The topic is a string attractor for quacks, for
sure.
Steinhart, said he had some experiences but decided they were not
that significant to himself. He is more buzzed, he said, but the
beauty of mathematics, emotionally. Here is a crowd funded 3D
augmented reality game, due out next year, called Night Terrors, so
much for the paranormal, yes? We maybe, could, have the paranormal
adventure any time we choose.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/05/01/survival-horror-augmented-reality-game-night-terrors-maps-your-house
Wow, this is a brilliant/terrifying idea!
I cross-posted a message to Ben Goetzel on his "Multiverse" website,
as well as on Guilio Prisco's Turing-Church website sight concerning
Goetzel's non-response, to my question to him, about afterlife
ideas, if any? He seemed to touch on this in a recent article, as
well as his 2006, The Hidden Pattern, which I had downloaded, a
couple of months ago. Any data or opinion on Goetzel's view on all
this?
Have you seen this?
http://multiverseaccordingtoben.blogspot.de/2015/03/paranormal-phenomena-nonlocal-mind-and.html
Telmo.
Mitch
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Sent: Sun, May 3, 2015 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!
Hi spudboy,
I follow Ben Goetzel and have some of the books he recommends on the
topic on my to-read list.
I remain agnostic on this stuff, and just try to consider the
simplest explanation, even if it's boring. In the case of this
story, this sounds a lot like the event was staged by some nice
person who cares about the bride. This doesn't mean that is the
correct explanation, of course.
What I am more curious about are replicable laboratory experiments.
Some people, like Goetzel, are claiming that results with
statistical significance are known. Maybe this is a nice opportunity
for amateur science, because dealing with this topics would still
career suicide for many people -- even if to find negative results.
Of course believing in the supernatural is absurd -- what does that
even mean? If, for example, ghosts were real, then this would just
mean that current scientific theories are incomplete or wrong.
Cheers,
Telmo.
On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 6:09 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com
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If you know of Ben Goetzel, and Damien Broderick, as well as Eric
Steinhart, they have claimed Psi experiences, or spiritual
experiences, but are split on the true significance? At the end of
the day, it either works for us, or it doesn't.
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Sent: Sun, May 3, 2015 7:03 am
Subject: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!
Michael Shermer is the publisher of "Skeptic" magazine, which I used
to subscribe to - but I could only take so many debunkings, lectures
on science, and so on, and eventually I cancelled the sub,
reasonably well convinced that I had by now obtained all the
wherewithal I was ever going to need to give 123 reasons to explain
any apparently supernatural event...
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/anomalous-events-that-can-shake-one-s-skepticism-to-the-core/
It's also a rather nice story.
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