meekerdb wrote:
On 6/12/2015 8:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

What is the need to invoke a universe when we might perhaps be on an explanation of where the appearance of the universe, and consciousness/knowledge come from, in a testable way?

That is exactly my criticism of your theory. I think you do need to invoke a universe, i.e. an environment, in order to supply meaning to computations and avoid the absurdity of the rock that computes everything. But if you have to invoke a universe to explain how computation instantiates thought you can't use thought to explain the universe. It's just another aspect of the "white rabbit" problem (whose name I have never understood; white rabbits are common).

You mean that you don't get the allusion to 'Alice in Wonderland'?

All the best phrases come from Lewis Carroll. Like 'Humpty Dumpty Dictionary' and 'What I tell you three times is true.'

Bruce


 It's all very
well to say thought is computation and all computation is implicit in arithmetic so all thought is implicit in arithmetic. The problem is getting it out - showing that the rock computes something, not everything.

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