On 11 Sep 2015, at 03:40, Pierz wrote:

OK, I think it's 100%. I'm just not sure what it means that the higher beings are connected by analogy not composition,

Well, a difference can be the intensional one, like "proving" = "the formal computation", and "proving" = "the correct formal computation". The correct machine can't see that they are equal, and can prove that they obey different logics, even if they prove the exact same"arithmetical proposition".




and "formal rights comprise a real science" (unless he means there is something objectively knowable about ethics).

No problem when we keep in mind that "real science" is usually wrong and in need to be revised. Democratic rules can evolve, but can also get sick and die.




That said, the higher beings thing sounds like something I *would* agree with, if I understood it... ;)


I am not sure to see what text of Gödel is alluded too here. But once you have an axiom of infinity, and dare to give it a name, you get a quite impressive multiplication of the infinities, like Cantor understood and developed. Maybe Gödel was thinking to large cardinals or something analogical to them.

Bruno





On Friday, September 11, 2015 at 11:16:09 AM UTC+10, Jason wrote:
Which of the 14 points did you not agree with?

As for his ontological proof, I think that was more something he did for fun, to see if he could impart some rigor to Anselm's argument.

Jason

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Pierz <pie...@gmail.com> wrote:
It's amazing to me that a man of Gödel's brilliance could take the drivel of the ontological argument seriously. Did I miss something about that specious piece of sophistry? Other than that I'm in 87.5% agreement with him...

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