> On 11 Sep 2020, at 15:49, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:31 AM Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be > <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: >> >>>I gave you the answer for year, but it asks for distinguishing the 1p and >> >>>the 3p > >> And that is absolutely positively 100% impossible because in a world where > >> self duplication is common place there is no such thing as THE first > >> person. > > >That is equivalent to saying that when we undergo a self-duplication, and > >thus even just a brain transplant, we die. > > No, that would be equivalent to saying "there is no such thing as A first > person", and saying such a thing would be absurd. I know for a fact that I am > conscious therefore I know for a fact that A first person exists; I am almost > certain that I am not the only conscious being in the universe therefore I am > almost certain THE first person does not exist. > > >>> For both copies, “the first person” is the one in the mirror they see > >>> themselves in the city they feel to be in. > > >> Then I guess you don't think the Helsinki man of yesterday survived > >> because today there is nobody in Helsinki and the mirror there is blank. > > > I don’t see how that follows. It would be like saying that John Clark is > > dead right now in all places he is absent. > > You are absolutely correct, saying that would be exactly like saying John > Clark is dead right now in all places he is absent; but then I'm not the one > who said "For both copies, “the first person” is the one in the mirror they > see themselves in the city they feel to be in”.
If there is *a* first person, then “the” first person is the nique one you can feel to be after the duplication. There are two 1-p only in the 3-p view of them (3-1-p), but the subjective life of the copies are pure 1-p, 1-1-p, 1-1-1-p, etc. After n duplications, each copies know there 1-p histories, and what was meant by “The” in the the question asked in Helsinki. If you call this “ambiguity”, just see the result as an understanding that the laws of physics is a calculus of first person ambiguity instead of a first person statistics. The mathematics gives 6 calculus, so some nuances in the naming is welcome. The quantum formalism will then also introduce “ambiguity”, because (without collapse) if mechanism is correct, the quantum originate from that first person fuzziness, uncertainty, credibility, statistics ... Bruno > > > You are also predicting that if you look at the schroedinger cat, you die. > > Somebody did indeed predict that but that somebody was certainly NOT John > Clark, because John Clark was NOT the one who said "the first person” is the > one in the mirror they see themselves in the city they feel to be in". > > > OK. But none get the feeling of his doppelgänger in any direct way. They > > have become two persons, with distinct and unique first person experience, > > and both are the H-man. Personal identity is not transitive. > > At last I agree with you about something! > > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv01igmSQ%3DfFHvbKhf0%3DnT69GFqH93axpefFmkHR6tCTLg%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv01igmSQ%3DfFHvbKhf0%3DnT69GFqH93axpefFmkHR6tCTLg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/8F44E071-B361-4BFA-8D22-66846BE339FA%40ulb.ac.be.
