I find this post kind of ridiculous. Why bring partisan politics onto this list? Both the republicans and democrats have shown their poor stances on these topics. Sure a Democrat controlled Senate and a Republican controlled House passed the DMCA. This current republican administration has certainly not shown any great leadership when coming up with its cybersecurity/anti-cyberterrorism policies. The problem is that politicans in this country rely heavily on industry leaders for both their technical information in drawing up policies and political contributions to run their campaigns. These politicians need to be told what the actual computing community and academics in the field believe should be done as well as being in discussion with those "industry leaders" that they currently rely on.
I understand that this is a good forum to discuss how politics will effect the computing community, but bringing partisan politics into this, especially when these issues are receiving bipartisan support of politians, is inappropriate for a technical support list. both republicans and democrats are seeking to grab more power for themselves. any statements to the contrary simply show a poor understanding of how politics currently works in this country. On 25 Oct 2002, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 12:59, David Rankin wrote: > > God help us. > > > > The poor misguided soul that is so easily led by a slick republican marketing >campaign. > > The democrats have in fact fought zealously against allowing an expansion of >executive > > office power contrary to what is claimed below. When you one day awake and can't >afford > > health coverage for your family, > > And that is the standard Democratic fear mongering mantra that's intoned > before every election, another Dem doom and gloom election tactic that's > starting to fail, since it's basically bullshat. BTW, tell me what > cable or TV channel that the "slick republican marketing campaign" was > broadcast on? CNN? ABC? CBS? BBC? MSNBC? Tell me how they have > saturated the airwaves with their slick republican marketing. I am very > interested to know, because I believe it is not *I* that has been > brainwashed having seen those channels. > > Power: the dems are not fighting against expansion of executive power, > they are fighting for expansion of their own power. The attempted > violation of New Jersey election laws by the Democratic party is a prime > example of that, as is "Stonewall" Daschle's block of 50 supreme justice > nominees and economic/home defense bills. The fear-doom/gloom-negative > campaign mantra is a standard brainwashing tactic of the Dems to retain > senior and welfare recipient votes. Same tactic used by MicroSoft: > Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Congratulations for continuing to promote > that trend yourself. > > > find out that your once constitutionaly guaranteed > > liberties are gone, and that the retirement you thought you had has evaporated, >maybe then > > Freedom: What constitutional liberties have been protected by the > Democrats? Let's talk facts here. The DMCA was a bill proposed by > DEMOCRAT Senator Friz Hollings of South Carolina right after he got an > infusion of cash from Entertainment industry sources and > Microsoft(several tens of thousands, if memory serves), and passed by a > Democratically controlled Senate. Do you deny that fact? > > The CBDTPA (Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act) was > also introduced by Democrat Hollings. Do you deny that? > > Today Americans pay 60c on the dollar for every dollar they make in > taxes. This was done to us by the pro-goverment Senate-majority > Democrats. Do you deny that? > > What about the attack on the software license behind the Linux operating > system ? Do you deny that Democrats are not behind that movement, in > light of the following paragraph from the Wired article I posted? > > "Earlier this week, three members of the House of Representatives, Adam > Smith (D- Wash.), Ron Kind (D-Wis.) and Jim Davis (D-Fla.), sent a note > to 74 Democrats in Congress attacking Linux's GNU General Public License > (GPL) as a threat to America's "innovation and security." > > This above is another totally Democratic action. And yet Democrats are > protecting our constitutional rights? > > Exactly what rights are being protected? Your right to work in a Dem > -controlled workers (government or otherwise) union? Your right not to > be able to defend yourself in your own home? Your right to run only > MicroSoft products? Your right to be taxed 60 cents on the dollar for > every dollar you make? Your right to be forcefully subjected to a death > tax? Your right to be restricted on what songs you play on YOUR > computer, or what software you run on YOUR computer? Your right to be > forced to delete Linux from your machine? What rights are you talking > about here? > > > the veil will be lifted and you will see that in voting (R) you have screwed >yourself while > > thinking you were liking it all along. Don't fail to see the forest for the trees. >The DMCA > > and CBDTA are not partisian issues. And, I guarantee you that a knee-jerk reaction > > considering it one will do you far more harm good with the ill-considered >consequences that > > will follow. > > I agree totally on the knee jerk reaction, because I see it coming from > liberal Democrats, mostly from one of the following sources: > > 1.) Liberal university Professors of anything > > 2.) NEA paid for and bought members of the Teachers Union > > 3.) Anyone internally affiliated with the National Education Association > (NEA) > > 4.) Anyone internally affiliated with the following news organizations: > a.) CNN > b.) CBS > c.) MSNBC > d.) ABC > (in other words, most journalists. Not all, but MOST. Some examples: > Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings, Dan Rather [Red Dan] ) > > 5.) Anyone internally affiliated with the ACLU (American Civil Liberties > Union) > > 6.) Any Feminist (aka FemiNazi's) > > There are turncoat Republicans, don't get me wrong. Like I said, the > Republican party is not perfect. However as a whole they are far > superior to the Democratic party ideologically, ethically and actually. > That's why they don't get equal media attention. In fact they get > strongly NEGATIVE media attention. > > The democratic party is the consummate "Do Nothing" party. They (the > politicians) publicly endorse ethical standards (but never > congressionally defend them, like human rights), they propose fixing the > economy by raising taxes (which has never historically worked and is not > backed by any sane economic theory that does), they control the media > and the sorry public educational system, they break election laws by > voting with corpses and invalid absentee ballots, they pay poor people > to get onto buses destined for the polls and to vote Democratic, and > they sacrifice national security and the economy in order to promote > their own end goals. > > And lastly, but certainly not least, they BLAME REPUBLICANS for all the > ills and woes of the world through their Liberal-Democratically > controlled MEDIA and FUD tactics. Now they are attacking our Digital > Rights, and Linux itself has been targeted by the Dems for elimination > in the United States; at risk of being obliterated with a DMCA, CBDTPA, > or Palladium bombshell lobbed from the Democratic party. Well, I say > enough is enough. Freedom (digital and otherwise) is not a spectator > sport. If we do nothing, then that is exactly what we will eventually > have. Nothing. It's time to fight. > > > > --LX > > -- > 같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같� > Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 > Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdk Evolution 1.0.2-5mdk > Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ > 같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같같� > > > Les Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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