biosoundbill wrote: > In the text below you appear to be admitting that > bija mantras are used in TM! > > Why the sudden change of mind,are you a little > confused? > No, I am not confused, but it would seem that several of the informants here are confused, or at least ill-informed, and are attempting to confuse me.
The three tantric experts, the two Barry's and Vaj the Nath, both seemed to want to discredit the notion that Marshy learned the TM bija mantras from Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. Vaj, in his zeal to discredit Marshy, seemed to imply that there was no connection between Marshy and the Sri Vidya sect at all. Vaj seemed to imply that Shankara never visited Kashmir and had nothing to do with the Trika system. Apparently none of the pundits here seem to be aware of the source of the TM bija mantras. This seems to be somewhat outrageous! Can you imagine adults spouting nonsense syllables for years and years, and recruiting others to spout them too, and yet never even knowing the source of the gibberish they spout? Apparently this is the case. So, the question remains: Where, exactly, did the Marshy get the bija mantras. According to Mr. Bharat2, you can't get real bija mantras from a book, you must be getting initiated by a tantric guru. Is there any evidence that Marshy was initiated by a tantric guru and recieved a bucketload of bijas to pass out? None of the informants wants to be honest about this - why I don't know. What's the big secret? And why are the TMers and ex-TMers always wanting to be so secretive? If the TM bija mantras are the nicknames of the Hindu demi-Gods, that Marshy read in a book, why not just be honest and say so? Richard J. Williams wrote: > > The TM tradition probably originated with the Nath > > alchemists of medieval India, the so-called "Eighty-four > > Mahasiddhas" and with Matsyendranath, the inventor of > > Hatha Yoga. This tradition was taken to Kashmir where > > it became the Trika system and then later to South > > Asia to become the Sri Vidya tradition of Shankara. > > > > According to what I've read, Guru Dev's teacher was Swami > > Krishanand Saraswati of Sringeri. If so, that means that > > Guru Dev was, like his teacher, a student of the Sri Vidya, > > which was established by Shankara at Sringeri. Apparently > > there are three TM bija mantras inscribed on the Sri > > Chakra, which is ensconced at the Sringeri temple. > > > > It is a fact that all the Saraswati Dasanamis worship > > the Sri Vidya. > > > > It is also a fact that the Sri Chakra is ensconced on the > > mandir at Dwarka and at the Kanchi Mathas. It is also a > > fact that all the Adwaita Sannyasins claim that Adi Shankara > > established four mathas as seats of learning and for the > > worship of Sri Vidya. In addition, all the Shankaracharyas > > agree that Shankara composed the Soundaryalahari, with the > > TM bija mantras included among the thirteeen other bija > > mantras. > > > > According to the Shankaracharya of Sringeri, the Adi > > Shankara placed the Sri Chakra, symbol of Tripurasundari, > > with the TM mantras inscribed thereon, at each of the seats > > of learning - Dwarka, Puri, Sringeri, Kanchi and at Jyotirmath. > > The mantras of TM are DIRECTLY related to Sri Vidya. At least > > three TM bija mantras appear inscribed on the Sri Chakra. > > > > According to Swami Rama, Guru Dev was fond of the Sri Chakra > > and used one in his puja. So, if the Sri Chakra has the TM > > mantras written on it, and Shankara wrote the Soundaryalahari, > > with the thirteen bija mantras, three of which are used in > > the practice of TM, we can assume that the TM bija mantras > > used by MMY are derived from the Tantric Tradition of Shankara > > as practiced in Kerala State. > >
