Angela, you're making me work hard here. So, I'll pull the book on you, MMY's commentary to the Gita. In this commentary, MMY mentions the philosophy of Sankhya which describes the categories underlying the basis of the entire creation. In brief, these are
1. Purusha-- the transcendental Reality, or the silent witness of creation. 2. Prakriti-- the primal substance out of which the entire creation arises. Its constituents are the three gunas. Theses gunas are responsible for all the change and form the basis of evolution. 3. Mahat-- the first state of evolution where the previously undifferentiated primal substance, prakriti, begins to move towards manifestation. 4. Ahamkara-- the principle responsible for the individuation of mahat. 5. Manas -- the cosmic mind which provides the object for the individuating principle, ahamkara. 6. Indriyas -- these pertain to the 10 priciples relating to the senses. These are the five senses fo perception and the five organs of action. 7. Tanmatras -- constitute the five basic realities, or essences, of the objects of the five senses of perception. 8. Mahabhutas -- these are the five elements out of which material creation is constituted: space (akasha), air (vayu), fire (tejas), water (apas) and earth (prithivi). In short, this is how consciousness evolves into manifested reality. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > MMY's take on rishi, devata, and chhandas may be his original contribution to Vedic studies--I'm not qualified to judge that, but it does go a long way to explain the processes of the mind, and, by the way, it is not essentially different from the way some Western mystics have read Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, with spirit corresponding to devata, father with knower or rishi, and son with chhandas or object of knowledge. But Curtis is still right in his stance of wanting some evidence of how this "translates" into the physical matter. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:17:22 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Maharishi Effect" Quantum-Failure Essay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander > > <mailander111@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > I was merely reporting my experience. This experience leads me to > > suspect that consciousness is layered, but there is nothing in the > > experience itself that tells me that I'm experiencing the deepest > > layer. Consciousness, as Husserl pointed out, is always OF > > something. I agree with you completely that for there to be any hint > > of awareness of anything whatsoever, there has to be a first > > distinction, which was the point of quoting my favorite > > mathematician. And yet there remains the original mystery of why and > > how consciousness conceives a desire to know itself. The usual > > answer is love, but while that's nice, it's circular. > > > > Angela, MMY may have answered your question here. You are probably > > aware of his conjecture relating to the Rishi-Devata- Chandas > > dynamics. Rishi pertains to the knower, devata the process of > > knowing, and Chandas the known. IMO, MMY is describing the process > > of Intelligence. It knows and desires Itself. The byproduct of this > > process is consciousness which translates into the creation of matter. > > > > During the process of transformation, the initial stages of the five > > senses, i.e. sight, hearing, tasting, feeling, smelling are > > manifested. In the end, all of matter can be traced and is the > > byproduct of the cosmological five senses. To be specific, all of > > these attributes are found in the faculties of human beings. > > > > In effect, this is the why and how consciousness conceives a desire > > to know itself. > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: Peter <drpetersutphen@ ...> > > > To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 6:41:15 AM > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Maharishi Effect" Quantum- Failure > > Essay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Angela Mailander <mailander111@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am always conscious of that "third thing." I > > > > > > > observe my mind at work. I am aware, for example, > > > > > > > that this mind is not as good as it was twenty years > > > > > > > ago. 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