On May 5, 2009, at 9:15 PM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: > Epistemologically > > day to day. > > Similarly, from our friend on campus: > <paste> > ",,,truth is an experience that occurs when our personal belief (s), > be they individual or socially-consensual, intersect with our > experience. > > My argument is not to say that what we believe is true at one moment > in time is not extremely valuable. On the contrary, it is upon the > foundation of apparent-truths that the entire relative world > progress from. > > I therefore expect virtually everything I think I know to be true > about the world to change. I also expect that, that change will > become more and more frequent as we progress forward through time. > As I said, I'm not really qualified academically to shed much light > on whether alpha-waves coherence indicates higher states of > consciousness. I don't believe that neuroscience has developed a > significant enough understanding of the entire brain measurement > process to make a definitive determination.
Well fortunately researchers have had access to yogis in higher states of consciousness, particularly over the last 16 years or so. What they've found is there are remarkable changes indeed. > > However, my expectations based on personal experience, is that this > measurement process is going to become more and more and more > refined over time as new knowledge or "truths" are revealed. > Personally, I have serious doubts as to whether we will ever be able > to physically measure the mechanics of consciousness. I believe > that at best we may hope to get some indicators which can be cross > referenced with sufficient confidence to provide theoretical validity. > > Like many long term meditators I have experienced 'Being' beyond > time-space. At that level of consciousness there is no relative > world, no relative universe. How then, can a measurement be taken of > the deepest level of consciousness when nothing physical like the > brain exists to measure." <end paste> Such states are easily demonstrable by methods known for thousands of years. So if the state is legit., it would be relatively easy to know, even without a lot of fancy science. What I've found is TMers learn to talk and think in flowery language as a part of the TM mythos and that ends up having little basis in reality, although they're quite convinced what they're experiencing is something remarkable. Remarkable experiences require remarkable proof. So far no proof...
