--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity <no_re...@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Vaj wrote: I don't think most TM'ers or most meditators in any group have > > been able to achieve the 'breathless' state which is indicative of Samadhi. > > > > > > Vaj, > > > > Define "breathless." Seems to me that living is living, and that means > > some use of ATP at the least. > > > > I'm guessing that "suspension of breath" merely means that the level of > > bodily excitation is so low that oxygen is not being removed from the > > bloodstream fast enough to justify inhalation "for the nonce." The body > > will take another breath when it needs to. > > > > I personally love the concept of the bricked-up-in-a-cave yogi who is only > > hanging out "by a thread." But, however slowly it may be, the yogi is > > still processing and using oxygen. > > > > I like your stages of consciousness concepts, because I can, as if, see the > > rate-of-oxidation spectrum they comprise. > > > > But, is that the whole truth? Do you think there's some sort of miraculous > > oxygenless format of some stage of consciousness that would be eternal -- > > that is, the bricked yogi never takes another breath? > > > > Does God breathe astral oxygen? Does prana have any utility in Vicuntha? > > > > Edg > > > My understanding of the "breathless" state is that there is no breathing at > all. > Of course, this cannot continue indefinitely as you would die. Or breathe. > > I think it was David Blane (not sure on spelling), the magician, ( who seems > to me to be someone who has remarkable control over the body) who managed to > hold his breath underwater for 17 minutes or thereabouts. Divers and yogis > use certain techniques to increase the ability to breath hold. Practice. And > then before a big breath hold, first you do a slow and steady filling of the > lungs, then exhalations to purge CO2 and then a final series of quick gulps > of air. > > Most people can learn to hold their breath for 2 or 3 minutes pretty easily, > but you shouldn't if you have ventricular abnormalities. >
Quite a few years ago, the TM researchers admitted that the "breath suspension" state during TM was only apparent. There's several studies that have looked at the state in-depth and I'm pretty sure I've cited all of them here more than 5 times each. The "big three" citations follow: http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/reprint/44/2/133 http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/reprint/46/3/267 http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/reprint/44/2/133 All three are full reprints. Enjoy. Lawson.
