Judy, well yes, I did. I found the tone of the article offensive in accusing anyone who asks questions on this a "liar". And the article doesn't "debunk" the grandmothers testimony. Instead it sides with a younger Obama relative who came on after the grandmother to repeatedly assert Obama was born in Hawaii. The article gives the Salon source for this, http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2008/12/05/birth_certificate/ and this article finishes with:
"In an affidavit he [McRae] put together, he wrote: Though some few younger relatives, including Mr. Ogombe, have obviously been versed to counter such facts with the common purported information from the American news media that Obama was born in Hawaii, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama was very adamant that her grandson, Senator Barack Hussein Obama, was born in Kenya, and that she was present and witnessed his birth in Kenya, not the United States. When Mr. Ogombe attempted to counter Sarah Obama's clear responses to the question, verifying the birth of Senator Obama in Kenya, I asked Mr. Ogombe, how she could be present at Barack Obama's birth if the Senator was born in Hawaii, but Ogombe would not answer the question, instead he repeatedly tried to insert that, "No, No, No. He was born in the United States!" So the testimony of the grandmother is disputed by another Obama relative. Does not make her wrong. Only that one of them is not telling the truth. One has to look for motives. What motive would the grandmother have in saying Obama was born in Kenya? And what motive would this Ogombe have in saying he was born in Hawaii? Seems to me the grandmother had nothing to gain other than her own maternal pride in her grandson. Whereas Ogombe may be more shrewd and understand the political significance of the question, hence he defends the official story. Same with the Kenyan Ambassador. He seems to me to be innocently reflecting the common perception in Kenya that Obama was born there. This does not make one person right or wrong. Someone is not telling the truth. So people can chose who they want to believe. It is not conclusive either way and will not be so until a long form birth certificate appears, and/or someone present at the birth can testify. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jst...@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brian64705 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Judy, Yes got it thank-you. > > Well, no, you didn't read it if you're still pushing > the grandmother story, because the page debunked it > quite thoroughly. > > > I am not persuaded by those who chose to attack the messenger > > which is a common response to anyone raising questions. > > Forget the ad hominem. These people are telling stories > that have been documented to be untrue. > > > It's interesting to me that noone has so far claimed to have > > been present at Obamas birth in Hawaii. > > You probably couldn't find someone claiming to have been > present at 99.99 percent of all births other than the > mother (and more recently the father as well). > > > Yet his grandmother said she was present at his birth in > > Kenya. The conversation with Obama's grandmother in which > > she confirmed she was at the birth in Kenya is here: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo > > Debunked. > > > And the Kenyan Ambassador said the Kenyan Govt is planning a > > memorial at the Kenyan birthplace. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH4GX3Otf14 > > It's pretty clear to me he didn't quite get what he was > being asked. > > > Of course none of that is proof of anything. > > It sure isn't. > > > The matter can only be settled if Obama releases his long > > form birth certificate. > > It's already BEEN settled, Brian, long since. You're > beating a very, very silly dead horse. > > > > Until then the question is not likely to go away. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > Brian, did you look at the page I linked for you in my > > > earlier post? > > > > > > http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2009/wndbirthlies.html#grandmother > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/26t9rr8 > > > > > > This is nutcase stuff. > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brian64705 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we can have these accusations finally cleared up in > > > > > > 2012 > > > > > > > > > > They were "cleared up" a LONG time ago. He was born in > > > > > Hawaii. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Kenyan Ambassador said Obama's birthplace is well known in Kenya: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH4GX3Otf14&feature=related > > > > > > > > And in Hawaii noone has come forward to remember his birthplace there. > > > > No doctor, no midwife, noone. Until a long form birth certificate is > > > > produced, this issue isn't going to go away. > > > > > > > > > >
