---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote :
On 08/06/2014 09:25 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> mailto:noozguru@... wrote : But that wasn't my point with SallyAnn (which is what Thunderbird wants to rename him). It was to point out that he lacks the proper credentials or scientific depth to discuss the issue properly. He doesn't appear to know even basic astronomy. LOL. You've ignored most of what I've said anyway, but do you really think there is an issue to discuss? Read it all again, all I want to say is that your horoscope looks a bit silly if you put everything where it's supposed to be instead of where the software thinks it is. Obviously you don't think about it like that, the picture the ancients had was sweet but so inaccurate that they'd fall over backwards if they saw what reality was really like. How can it be taken seriously if you aren't taking in the extra distances due to orbits going behind the sun for instance? The only force known to be infinite in extent is gravity and it can't be that, it couldn't be that even if the Earth was the centre of the universe. It's all rubbish. It's so obvious to me it hurts. What other credentials do I need dear Bhairitu? The only thing we seem to be left with is some other force that ties us in with the movements of planets against an arbitrary background but is rubbish at making predictions even though it's all supposed to be running like clockwork. Would I believe it if I was born two hours later? What I think we have here is a division between though who fear the idea that our lives are predestined and those who celebrate it. If astrology seems to give some clue about destiny fine. Science may also discover the patterns which rule our lives and indeed there are scientists trying to do so. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who hide behind the shield of science who know little about science. Science has dismissed astrology many times. These patterns that rule our lives should make it easy to make testable predictions but they don't seem to work. Far from hiding behind a shield I'm actually thinking of ways to show it does work, by having a chart done for instance and then thinking about it. Trouble is, one of the main predictions was wrong. So how can any of the others be right if they don't take into account the effect that a life changing event would have had. Be being extra vague? That doesn't sound like my life is being ruled by patterns that science has yet to understand. Do you get it yet? I get that you can't rationally discuss the subject. What's irrational about anything I've said? Your replies are emotionally biased and loaded with ignorance both of astrology and science. Emotionally biased? That makes no sense but I admit I'm ignorant of how astrology could possibly work. I'm always happy to apply scientific principles to things though, I do now how to do that coz it's easy, you just look for the weak link and set up a question that falsifies the conjecture if it can't be answered. And BTW there are practitioners of heliocentric astrology. Maybe you ought to test it out. Like I said, there are experts in Bigfoot and Yeti... What I get is that from the horoscopes for people I have done the predictions played out. So you are the perfect astrologer? Cool. Put that in your chillum and smoke it. Childish. On 08/06/2014 12:39 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> mailto:noozguru@... wrote : And besides, we get it, you don't like astrology. :-D I've yet to see anything to like about it. As previously noted, I don't think there is any link between the motions of the planets and human behavior, *even on the level of long-term observance of trends*, using the "motions of the planets" only to map the supposed repeating time-trends. I think it's all hooey onto which people project their shit. That said, I see no more harm in astrology *used for entertainment purposes*, and nothing else. I see it as on pretty much the same level as these silly websites that promise to tell you your "personality type" or (recently) your "life novel." They're just Rorschach tests, which can be used to explore one's own personality, along the lines of, "Wow...I can't believe I see a hot babe in that blob of ink. What does that say about me." You can potentially have the same level of fun with an astrology reading, presuming that you didn't pay very much for it, and don't take it too seriously, and as anything *more* or *more meaningful* than entertainment. I can still make jokes about my own "Sagittarius tendencies," for example, and laugh about the supposedly Sag traits I read about that seem to apply to me, but at the same time I know that I'm just projecting any correspondences onto these traits, and that they aren't real. They're just entertaining. It's when people start putting money on the line for astrology that things go over the line. Paying hundreds of dollars to some charlatan for a reading goes over the line. Making life decisions or economic decisions or even romantic decisions based on the "reading" is going over the line. Buying gems or other Woo Woo talismans to "mitigate karmas" is going over the line. Treating astrology or jyotish as if they were some kind of "science" is going over the line. The squiggles on a "chart" are IMO no more potentially meaningful than the arrangement of tea leaves in the bottom of a teacup. And no less so. If your mind has the ability to slip into "seeing" mode and get a hit off of tea leaves, then it might have the ability to do so with an astrology chart. But it's your mind doing the "seeing," not the creation of a chart, or the dumping out of the tea leaves. But all of this is pissing into the wind when addressing people who are locked into Woo Woo Syndrome and constantly looking for the Next Big Thing to spend money on to increase their Woo / sense of self-importance. There is no real "wish to find out" there. They're going to go for anecdotes that reinforce their "will to believe" every time.
