What *I get* is that from the horoscopes for people I have done the
predictions played out.
you have to be cherry picking. If 100% of your astrology predictions
came true, you would be a world famous astrologer with millions of
people clamoring for your readings. How do you account for the
inaccurate predictions and how do you and your clients rationalize
them, also what percentage of your predictions are accurate and what %
are inaccurate?
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*From:* salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 6, 2014 3:00 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why astrology is rubbish.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote :
On 08/06/2014 09:25 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <noozguru@...>
<mailto:noozguru@...> wrote :
But that wasn't my point with SallyAnn (which is what Thunderbird
wants to rename him). It was to point out that he lacks the
proper credentials or scientific depth to discuss the issue
properly. He doesn't appear to know even basic astronomy.
LOL. You've ignored most of what I've said anyway, but do you
really think there is an issue to discuss? Read it all again, all
I want to say is that your horoscope looks a bit silly if you put
everything where it's supposed to be instead of where the
software thinks it is. Obviously you don't think about it like
that, the picture the ancients had was sweet but so inaccurate
that they'd fall over backwards if they saw what reality was
really like. How can it be taken seriously if you aren't taking
in the extra distances due to orbits going behind the sun for
instance? The only force known to be infinite in extent is
gravity and it can't be that, it couldn't be that even if the
Earth was the centre of the universe. It's all rubbish. It's so
obvious to me it hurts. What other credentials do I need dear
Bhairitu?
The only thing we seem to be left with is some other force that
ties us in with the movements of planets against an arbitrary
background but is rubbish at making predictions even though it's
all supposed to be running like clockwork. Would I believe it if
I was born two hours later?
What I think we have here is a division between though who fear
the idea that our lives are predestined and those who celebrate
it. If astrology seems to give some clue about destiny fine.
Science may also discover the patterns which rule our lives and
indeed there are scientists trying to do so. Unfortunately there
are a lot of people who hide behind the shield of science who
know little about science.
Science has dismissed astrology many times. These patterns that
rule our lives should make it easy to make testable predictions
but they don't seem to work. Far from hiding behind a shield I'm
actually thinking of ways to show it does work, by having a chart
done for instance and then thinking about it. Trouble is, one of
the main predictions was wrong. So how can any of the others be
right if they don't take into account the effect that a life
changing event would have had. Be being extra vague? That doesn't
sound like my life is being ruled by patterns that science has
yet to understand.
Do you get it yet?
I get that you can't rationally discuss the subject.
What's irrational about anything I've said?
Your replies are emotionally biased and loaded with ignorance both
of astrology and science.
Emotionally biased? That makes no sense but I admit I'm ignorant
of how astrology could possibly work.
I'm always happy to apply scientific principles to things though,
I do now how to do that coz it's easy, you just look for the weak
link and set up a question that falsifies the conjecture if it
can't be answered.
And BTW there are practitioners of heliocentric astrology. Maybe
you ought to test it out.
Like I said, there are experts in Bigfoot and Yeti...
What *I get* is that from the horoscopes for people I have done
the predictions played out.
So you are the perfect astrologer? Cool.
Put that in your chillum and smoke it.
Childish.
On 08/06/2014 12:39 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@...
<mailto:turquoiseb@...> [FairfieldLife] wrote:
*From:* salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <noozguru@...>
<mailto:noozguru@...> wrote :
And besides, we get it, you don't like astrology. :-D
I've yet to see anything to like about it.
As previously noted, I don't think there is any link between
the motions of the planets and human behavior, *even on the
level of long-term observance of trends*, using the "motions
of the planets" only to map the supposed repeating
time-trends. I think it's all hooey onto which people project
their shit.
That said, I see no more harm in astrology *used for
entertainment purposes*, and nothing else. I see it as on
pretty much the same level as these silly websites that
promise to tell you your "personality type" or (recently)
your "life novel." They're just Rorschach tests, which can be
used to explore one's own personality, along the lines of,
"Wow...I can't believe I see a hot babe in that blob of ink.
What does that say about me."
You can potentially have the same level of fun with an
astrology reading, presuming that you didn't pay very much
for it, and don't take it too seriously, and as anything
*more* or *more meaningful* than entertainment. I can still
make jokes about my own "Sagittarius tendencies," for
example, and laugh about the supposedly Sag traits I read
about that seem to apply to me, but at the same time I know
that I'm just projecting any correspondences onto these
traits, and that they aren't real. They're just entertaining.
It's when people start putting money on the line for
astrology that things go over the line. Paying hundreds of
dollars to some charlatan for a reading goes over the line.
Making life decisions or economic decisions or even romantic
decisions based on the "reading" is going over the line.
Buying gems or other Woo Woo talismans to "mitigate karmas"
is going over the line. Treating astrology or jyotish as if
they were some kind of "science" is going over the line.
The squiggles on a "chart" are IMO no more potentially
meaningful than the arrangement of tea leaves in the bottom
of a teacup. And no less so. If your mind has the ability to
slip into "seeing" mode and get a hit off of tea leaves, then
it might have the ability to do so with an astrology chart.
But it's your mind doing the "seeing," not the creation of a
chart, or the dumping out of the tea leaves.
But all of this is pissing into the wind when addressing
people who are locked into Woo Woo Syndrome and constantly
looking for the Next Big Thing to spend money on to increase
their Woo / sense of self-importance. There is no real "wish
to find out" there. They're going to go for anecdotes that
reinforce their "will to believe" every time.
