--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <no_reply@> 
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "suziezuzie" <msilver1951@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > When someone starts meditating, is the flatness (separation of 
Self 
> > > from sense perception) that they begin to feel is a prelude to 
> > Cosmic 
> > > Consciousness or the beginnings of personality pathology that 
has 
> > > nothing to do with enlightenment?
> > > 
> > > A prelude to CC is the understanding given to us by the TM 
> > movement. 
> > > Personality disorder, depersonalization, etc., is the 
explanation 
> > given 
> > > by the TM critics. How do we verify which is true? The state of 
> > > flatness as a prelude to CC would be measured by increasing 
> > > stabilization of Self as defined by what CC is. Personality 
> > disorders 
> > > such as spaciness, depersonalization, etc., would be confirmed 
by 
> > > observations of pathology. So who should we believe, the TMO or 
the 
> > TM 
> > > Critics. Is this 'flatness of perception a pathology or a 
natural, 
> > > normal prelude to enlightenment defined as stabilized Self 
> > throughout 
> > > the three states of consciousness? Mark
> > >
> > 
> > ************
> > 
> > The experience of witnessing is a perfectly normal part of growth 
of 
> > consciousness. The sense of seeing the body as from a distance 
means 
> > that the identification of oneself with the body is lessening, 
which 
> > is a good thing, because the truth of life is that the witness 
> > consciousness, whose nature is blissful and infinite, is only 
> > reflected by bodies depending on their purity (the more pure the 
> > nervous system, the greater the reflected consciousness).
> > 
> > Because TMers experience growth of awareness, they are less 
> > overwhelmed by activity and the environment -- this is why they 
begin 
> > to feel distanced, just witnesses to the activity. This is a sign 
of 
> > strength, not pathology.
> >
> 


> Heh. First time I've heard that witnessing involves seeing the body 
from a distance. 
> SOunds more like someone is having a pathological state and is 
indulging in some wishful 
> thinking...
>

**************

Not at all -- it's my experience as well as the experience of 
thousands of other TMers, and it's the classic description of 
witnessing in the Vedic texts:

 "...he views the body as a spectator looks at a distant crowd."
--p.229 of The Concise Yoga Vasistha

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