--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "suziezuzie" <msilver1951@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > When someone starts meditating, is the flatness (separation of > > Self > > > > > from sense perception) that they begin to feel is a prelude to > > > > Cosmic > > > > > Consciousness or the beginnings of personality pathology that > > has > > > > > nothing to do with enlightenment? > > > > > > > > > > A prelude to CC is the understanding given to us by the TM > > > > movement. > > > > > Personality disorder, depersonalization, etc., is the > > explanation > > > > given > > > > > by the TM critics. How do we verify which is true? The state of > > > > > flatness as a prelude to CC would be measured by increasing > > > > > stabilization of Self as defined by what CC is. Personality > > > > disorders > > > > > such as spaciness, depersonalization, etc., would be confirmed > > by > > > > > observations of pathology. So who should we believe, the TMO or > > the > > > > TM > > > > > Critics. Is this 'flatness of perception a pathology or a > > natural, > > > > > normal prelude to enlightenment defined as stabilized Self > > > > throughout > > > > > the three states of consciousness? Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ > > > > > > > > The experience of witnessing is a perfectly normal part of growth > > of > > > > consciousness. The sense of seeing the body as from a distance > > means > > > > that the identification of oneself with the body is lessening, > > which > > > > is a good thing, because the truth of life is that the witness > > > > consciousness, whose nature is blissful and infinite, is only > > > > reflected by bodies depending on their purity (the more pure the > > > > nervous system, the greater the reflected consciousness). > > > > > > > > Because TMers experience growth of awareness, they are less > > > > overwhelmed by activity and the environment -- this is why they > > begin > > > > to feel distanced, just witnesses to the activity. This is a sign > > of > > > > strength, not pathology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heh. First time I've heard that witnessing involves seeing the body > > from a distance. > > > SOunds more like someone is having a pathological state and is > > indulging in some wishful > > > thinking... > > > > > > > ************** > > > > Not at all -- it's my experience as well as the experience of > > thousands of other TMers, and it's the classic description of > > witnessing in the Vedic texts: > > > > "...he views the body as a spectator looks at a distant crowd." > > --p.229 of The Concise Yoga Vasistha > > > > Sounds like thousands of TMers and the author of the Concise Yoga Vasistha are confused > then...
Are we maybe taking this a bit too literally? I wonder whether the terms "see" and "view" actually refer to the visual sense, or to something more abstract for which we don't have a good term.
