At 8:08 PM 09/22/02, David W. Fenton wrote:

>Why would anyone *not* normally use pageup/pagedown to navigate
>within a text box? Hello?

Hello, nice to meet you.  It's a big world out there, and not everyone
operates the same as you do.

>There should also be search and replace functions, so you could find
>your place in a lengthy section of text.

Search and replace would be very nice, I agree.

Incidentally, if implemented it alone with no other reforms, a search and
replace could easily make total hash of your lyrics if you search and
replace for the wrong thing. (Though undo will help that, of course.)

I still believe that Finale's default behavior should be to increment or
decrement existing syllable assignments when a syllable is added or
subtracted to the Edit Lyrics window, so that editing in the Edit Lyrics
window doesn't cause shifts in the lyric assignments on the score. This is
already the behavior for lyric deletions caused through type-in-score, and
it could easily apply to directly editing the lyrics as well. (For those
who may have developed habits based on the old behavior, it could be an
option that can be turned off.)  There also could be an alert any time an
operation tries to delete a syllable which has an assignment anywhere in
the score.

If these features were in place, they would of course apply to changes made
by the search-and-replace function, as well as by any paste into the window
from a cut-and-paste operation.

>But what happens if you introduce some small inconsistency, like an
>extra space or something? How can Finale know what to do with that?

Specifically, an extra space is redundant in the lyrics text stream and
thus would cause no harm.

On the general question of adding an inconsistency that mucks up the
syllable order, that's no more or less a problem than it already is in the
Edit Lyrics window itself.  When I say I go to a text editor, I mean that I
go to a text editor, not some manipulative program like MS Word that's
going to do silly things like convert hyphens to dashes and whatnot.

>No, that sounds extremely dangerous to me, and would be wholly
>unnecessary if Finale provided proper facilitities for text editing
>in the first place.

I haven't found it to be dangerous, so long as I'm careful and don't do
something silly like accidentally type control-V for paste instead of
command-V, and thereby obliterate my entire text. (One of the perils of
cross-platforming; thank heavens for undo....)

I agree that it's silly that one would even have to consider going to a
separate text editor, and that Finale's Edit Lyrics window ought to be
intelligent enough on its own.

mdl


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