On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 10:21 AM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:


At 12:49 AM -0500 6/07/03, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
At 09:06 AM 6/7/2003 +1000, "Matthew Hindson wrote:

By the way, has Makemusic/Codamusic _ever_ made a profit?

I don't know about "ever" but apparently not recently.


They face a tough confluence of circumstances.


Part of that is a heavy push by Sibelius in the school market. At our school we had a visit by a Sibelius specialist who gave an all-day workshop, which went a long way to getting over the "getting started" blues that so many students have with notation software. I have to say, he was very good, very focused, and very critical of the things that Finale doesn't do as well as Sibelius that are of interest to my students.

Does Finale have reps that can do similar workshops in schools, highlighting all the problems (including ease-of-use problems) with Sibelius? If not, I volunteer myself.



If Coda could supply more usable default files to start with, this would ease things in the school market considerably.

Agreed. For starters, their jazz orchestra template is awful, just awful. I never understood why it was set up in landscape orientation -- I guess so it looks like a miniature version of jazz orch score paper. But it's ridiculously cramped in that orientation, with no room to enter chord symbols and/or kicks above the rhythm section parts, no additional space between sections, etc. To make it usable you'd have to reduce it even further (from 50% down to 45% or lower). Ugh. I have a much more readable jazz orch template in portrait orientation at 55% reduction, with plenty of room for the rhythm section, etc. (I also have a tighter version at 60%.) If Coda wants it, it's theirs.


And chord suffixes, sheesh!

Not really a problem if you use Jazz Font, although obviously "type into score" can be confusing. But I agree, setting up custom suffixes is a monumental pain -- though it's actually not much easier in Sib last time I checked.


In Sibelius, chord symbols can be attached to virtual beats (like in Encore) without needing to be attached to actual measure items. This also is very attractive to students who have struggled with the multi-step process to do this in Finale.

That is definitely true.


- Darcy

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