At 20:14 Uhr -0500 11.01.2003, Bill Bumgarner wrote:
On Wednesday, Jan 8, 2003, at 14:33 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:That's not helpful, though, the location is not the problem. The problem is that any locations for Fink installed stuff have to be fixed. By the fundamental prinicple of how Fink and dpkg work.
I know this has gone around before... but, to flog a dead horse a bit more because this has really started to be a serious hindrance to Fink in the eyes of many people I know.We don't generally accept bundled .apps in fink, because they can be moved by the user, and also to keep fink focused.
1) There is no reason for Fink to install apps in /Applications. Applications work fine anywhere on the disk. So do frameworks.
2) Apps can't be moved any more readily than, say, /sw/bin/python or /sw/share/doc/apache. Same goes for frameworks.
Benjamin already replied to this, so I won't do it again.
3) More and more Unix related tools have native Aqua ports available. tk and wx immediately come to mind. Film-gimp on the applications front. With PyObjC, CamelBones, and other bridge type technologies coming along, I'm sure there will be more. Many of these require or, at the least, are designed to use an app wrapper.If something is a proper mac application, there is no reason in my eyes why one would want to install it with Fink. E.g. Film-gimp (though I never tested it, I am just assuming now it is so).
Stuff like "native" tcl/tk can usually be supported by system-* packages.
I don't see how supporting the *native* version of something like tk or wx would be a loss of focus for Fink. If anything, it tightens the focus -- it continues the fine tradition of Fink providing highly tuned, ultra-compatible, builds of Unix/Open Source projects to the OS X community.I didn't bring up the "focus" part, and I think it's realy only tangential to this discussion. It's no "focus" thingy that makes me oppose including all sorts of .apps, it's techincal and logical reasons, see above.
<shrug> To you it may be so. I never used it (besides trying it out), and I never missed it. I realize some people like it a lot, but others (like me couldn't care less). It's easy enough to install it if you want it.
Besides-- it seems really sad that FinkCommander isn't a standard part of the Fink installation....
Max
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