This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


--- Anneli Sundkvist
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
 > Many years ago, I knew a wite dun fjord gelding
that
> had GREY eel and
> points. This was the first white dun I ever
> encountered, which made me
> think that grey was the normal colour for eel and
> points for white duns.
> Now, I've been thinking about this for some time and
> my question is:
> have anyone else seen fjords with grey eel or
> WHITOUT eel in mane/tail
> and BROWN (not black!) eel on the back? 

Anneli,

Our old ulsdun(white dun) mare has black stripe in her
forelock, mane, and tail, BUT the eel stripe down her
back is definitely grey.  The tips of her ears and the
stripes on her knees - plus the dark colour on the
fronts of her front legs - are also grey, rather than
truly black.  The only other ulsduns I have seen I've
seen only in pictures.  They appear to have black
stripes in mane and tail, can't see their eel stripes
in the pictures.  It looks like maybe Modellen didn't
have an eel stripe, but I've never seen him 'in
person'.  Dave?  Also, Jean, what about Stella's
stripes?

  
> Another question: we talk about the five different
> fjord colours -
> brown, red, grey, white/uls and yellow dun. But what
> happens if a grey
> dun horse also has the creme-gene(C)? 

I don't know that much about genetics in horses, but
it does seem that the (C) gene dilutes the
'brown-ness' of a Fjord's coat - brown dun becomes
white dun (or sometimes just lysbrun dun) with the
cremello gene, red dun becomes yellow dun, and it
seems that white dun(ulsdun) becomes white with no
stripes if another cremello (C) gene is added in the
next generation - so it would be my guess that maybe
the (C) gene would not affect grey dun all that much. 
Maybe just lighten the colour a bit, or remove any
brown undertones.  Anyone know for sure? 

Let us know what your research turns up.

Mary
  

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Mary Thurman
Raintree Farms
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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