This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Thanks everyone for the replies to my eel/creme post and for all the lovely PICTURES sent to me!!! Now, I'm going to explain the reason why I asked about the grey eels: Yesterday, I red an article on an Icelandic horse page concerning colour genetics. In the Icelandic breed (and Shets and Ardennes) there is a gene called the 'silver gene', marked as Z, which affects black colour to become white or grey. It does not affect red colour, why a red-based horse can carry the silver-gene without us knowing it. It will only be shown by the offspring of the horse. On a black-based horse, in our case that should be brown, grey and white dun, everything that normally is black will be grey-white. Icelandics come in silver-black, silver-bay, silver-buckskin etc. I suddenly remembered this uls dun horse with the grey eel and thought that mabye we have this silver- gene in the fjord breed too! In that case there should be other horses out there, brown, uls and grey duns with grey or invisible (white) eels in manes and tails. BUT the silver gene is inherited dominatly (now, this is Swenglish I belive, hope you understand what I mean) which means that for a horse to become silver one parent must be either silver (brown, grey or uls dun with grey or white stripe) OR red dun, since red horses can carry the without having their own colour affected. After reading Jean's post about the lineage of her mare Anvil's Adel, I belive that this mare, and her full brothers with the same colour and markings, are what Mike suggested that some uls dun are - in fact a yellow dun! The mother of the mare is apparently no 'silver' horse since she has a BLACK stripe. I don't know anything about the father, but if he is a red dun or any other colour - but without eel or with grey eel, there still is a 'silver-possibility'. But since the mother is uls dun, the dilute gene may be involved and the red gene may pop up anywhere. Her great granddam has given birth to a yellow dun so SHE must have carried the red gene. Her daughters may have inherited it from her.... What do we know about Adel's father? Has he sired any red duns? If you want to check out what the silver Icelandic looks like, go to this page. Clic on "färger" on the tool bar at the left, the clic 'Del fyra: Silvergenen'. Sorry, I wasn't able to fix a direct link to the silver page. http://user.tninet.se/~oyl480e/askurfiles/askur1.html The horse in the fourth picture, Ljufur frá Svignaskardi, is NOT a silver horse, he's a flaxen chestnut whose offspring has showed that the sire carries the silver gene. The horse in the front of the 9th picture (called Katla) is not a silver horse, she's a light smokey black. There are some very nice pictures on silver grey duns! Now, I hope I've gotten all the pedigrees right! The more I think of it...an uls dun with white mane is very likely an yellow dun. Who could think of a buckskin with white mane? That should be a palomino/isabella, right? I interpret white dun=buckskin + dun and yellow dun=isabella/palomino + dun. Regards Anneli --------------------------------------- Anneli Sundkvist Department of Archaeology & Ancient History Uppsala University St. Eriks Torg 5 S-753 10 Uppsala Sweden Phone: +46-18-471282 (dept.) +46-18-553627 (home) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 11:21 PM Subject: Re: Grey eel?+creme-colours > This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The only other ulsduns I have seen I've > >seen only in pictures. They appear to have black > >stripes in mane and tail, can't see their eel stripes > >in the pictures. It looks like maybe Modellen didn't > >have an eel stripe, but I've never seen him 'in > >person'. Dave? Also, Jean, what about Stella's > >stripes? > > Stella isn't completely shed out now but I know her eel stripe on her back > is tan, and while she has a dark grey or black tip on her ear, there is tan > on the back of the ear toward the tip. also light tan on her face. her > leg stripes are more grey than black and she also has some light tan on > the upper part of her forelegs. > > > >> Another question: we talk about the five different > >> fjord colours - > >> brown, red, grey, white/uls and yellow dun. But what > >> happens if a grey > >> dun horse also has the creme-gene(C)? > > My personal theory is that a grey dun diluted by the cremello gene would > give a color very similar to the "white"/uls dun except that the coat may > actully be whiter rather than wool colored (Uls) and perhaps the muzzle > would be dark, grey or black rather than light colored or "mealy". I think > the cremello gene dilutes each of the main colors and thus creates many so > called "white duns" which actually may be dilutes of the brown dun, grey > dun and red dun. the dilution of the red dun would supposedly be a yellow. > But that still leaves the question of what to call these very light colors > such as Adel who has those scattered BLACK hairs in her mane and tail. It > seems that seh is getting more and more black hairs, but I doubt she will > ever have a "stripe". > > Again, I encourage anyone who is interested in color genetics to read > Phillip Sponenberg's article on the NFHR website as well as his latest book > on Equine Color Genetics published by the Iowa State University Press. the > article on the NFHR site can be found at: > > http://www.nfhr.com/newsinfo.html#Documents > > scroll down to the Educational articles, "color in fjordhorses" by Phillip > sponenberg, in two parts. It is in a PDF format. > > Jean in sunny (but with a cold wind) Fairbanks, Alaska, 18+ hours of sunshine! > > ************************************************************ > Jean Ernest > Fairbanks, Alaska > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
