Hi, Dennis, :-) I know this may shock you, but this is a DOS mailing list. You know, people here actively want to use "DOS" binaries on DOS-compatible OSes.
I'm just saying, keep that in mind below. On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:11 PM, dmccunney <dennis.mccun...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 6:39 AM, TJ Edmister <damag...@hyakushiki.net> wrote: >> >> Since I boot Win2K/XP from FAT32, I also have the ability to put FD right >> on the C: partition and add it to my BOOT.INI as an option. This needs a >> little juggling of boot sectors to accomplish though. > > I have to ask: why FAT32? DOS doesn't read NTFS. (Yes, I know there were some partial, buggy third-party tools for that, but mostly "by design", for "security"??, MS never cared enough to let other OSes "share" data with Windows. They put all their eggs in one basket.) Yes, I suppose you can have both FAT32 and NTFS, and just copy files, if/when needed. In fact, you have to do that nowadays, Vista on up won't boot from FAT anymore. (At least Vista can finally resize the NTFS partition instead of more painful alternatives.) > I stayed at Win98 SE longer than I wanted to, because I was still > waiting for driver support for all of my peripherals. When a driver > for my SCSI scanner finally appeared for Win2K, I jumped Sigh, isn't it great that drivers are incompatible between OSes? :-P > Win98 reached the point of having to be rebooted four or five times a day. > Win2K just ran. And was buggier (for DOS apps). Stability is always good, but when you can't even run the apps you want to run, it's fairly useless. Might as well use a Mac! > It was up 24/7, and rebooted only if I was fiddling > with hardware or installing new software or a Windows update that > required it. I was delighted. 2k and XP are dead as doorknobs, totally unsupported. Even most third-party apps now brag about being incompatible to XP. It's a shame. > I was aware you *could* install 2K on FAT32, but couldn't understand > why you might want to. Just use both, best of both worlds. No, your boot partition doesn't have to be the same as your data partition. IIRC, most SSD users put the OS on ultra-fast SSD and put all their frequently-read/write-accessed (big) media files elsewhere. > NTFS supported things I sorely missed. One > was a far more robust file system that was far easier to repair if > there was a problem. If I had a file system problem, I ran CHKDSK. > On a FAT file system, this would result in a directory created by it > to hold orphaned file fragments, and files with names like > FILE0000.CHK. Once in a while, the file fragments it found were > usable. Mostly, they just needed to be deleted, and if they were > pieces of programs, the programs needed to be reinstalled. On an NTFS > system, CHKDSK simply put everything back where it was supposed to be > under its original name. The only time that didn't happen was when a > directory entry happened to be on a bad block and it had to create a > new one. It was no problem to mark the block bad, then rename the new > directory to the old name. Great, but NTFS doesn't work on DOS, which is an 8086-compatible real-mode OS. FAT is designed by minimalism, out of necessity. Sure, if you're willing to up the memory requirements a gig or two, you can have all the features of other OSes. It's not fair to expect them to do the same things. They target entirely different systems. Is NTFS better? I hope so, it's all you get nowadays! DOS is dead (to them), they don't care anymore, not even about binary compatibility. Buy all new (Win10/Metro) apps! Upgrade upgrade upgrade! > If I needed to run old 16bit DOS apps, I could do so in NTVDM, and > they didn't have to be on a FAT filesystem to use them. NTVDM has regressed since XP. It's not as good anymore. Even XP wasn't perfect. It's not a long-term solution. It's going away. MS doesn't care (and hasn't) anymore. It's not fair to pretend that "Windows is better than DOS!" because they don't even barely half-support it anymore. We all know the (previous) advantages. We'd all still be using Windows full-time if it worked for us, but sadly it doesn't. They threw DOS away, and they're already trying to do the same to anything written for Win7 or older. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. http://sdm.link/zohomanageengine _______________________________________________ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
