--- Greg Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 10:55:09AM +0100, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > from: Greg Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >... > > > To be honest, I don't have a lot of sympathy > with that POV. > > <snip> > > > If you look at the above two items, it comes > down to: participate on this > > > list if you want to see things work a certain > way. If you don't participate, > > > then you better not whine about the results. > > > > I'm trying to participate, but the board has > already taken the decision to > > go ahead. You are asking for a debate about the > details of Apache Commons. I > > want to be able to reject it outright. That was > denied me. Forgive me if I'm > > a little peeved :-( > > Fair enough. I'm not sure what the solution may be, > moving forward. > > Certainly, your voice about rejecting it is now > heard :-), but what would > you have said if a poll of ASF Members was taken and > the majority said to > create the Apache Commons? What if a poll of > committers said the same? Is > the problem associated with the *decision process*, > or with the outcome? The > solution to your peeved-ness varies on that answer.
Let me turn that around. Certainly, j-c people have relevant experience on the "Commons"-style approach. At what point in this process could we offer advice on how should it be organized, what is the scope, who might be effective on the PMC? Our earliest opportunity was after the Board had already approved the charter. In fact, we did not even know of its existence until that point. Not only does that substantially diminish our sense of involvement and empowerment, it initially deprives the new project of our experience. Perhaps we could be further along and more confident in our course if we had been allowed more input at the start. Now, unavoidably, the newly included feel as if they've come late to the party and are at a disadvantage wrt. their ideas and opinions. - Morgan > Cheers, > -g > > -- > Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ===== Morgan Delagrange http://jakarta.apache.org/taglibs http://jakarta.apache.org/commons http://axion.tigris.org http://jakarta.apache.org/watchdog __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
