On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 07:15 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 07:01:18PM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 06:32 PM, Greg Stein wrote:On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 05:33:30PM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:... Why not just free j-c to be a TLP if it wants to?
Why would the board be inclined to create a *second* Commons project when the first one they created should be sufficient?
The second one has well-known and widely used code and years of established community?
And the Board would simply respond with something like, "well, why doesn't
that community operate as part of the A-C TLP?"
And maybe they'd respond by inviting the serf codebase and you and Justin to join a j-c-led TLP :)
Look. Geir, Rodney: if you guys don't believe in A-C, then fine. You don't
have to. But some others do, and it appears that some J-C components will
move. Why is that so threatening?
I guess I don't get the point. Having J-C inspire the A-C effort is very complimentary - as a J-C founder, I take it as a compliment, especially since J-C was created by the committers of Jakarta organizing themselves to solve a problem rather than by board or PMC edict. Maybe that's what bothers me - that instead of a mob of Apache committers getting together and petitioning the board to create a project where they could come together, it seems to be happening the other way - the board created it, hoping they will come.
It just seems like if the interest is ensuring proper oversight of what is a vibrant and prosperous community, getting it to break apart by fragmentation into A-C seems counterproductive.
If you want to fix the oversight in J-C, then do so. Personally, I don't
believe it is possible, for the reasons that Robert has already described.
But I certainly won't stop you from trying.
Rodney pointed out that there is almost 100% representation on the PMC by each of the components, due to the good (and healthy) mixing of participants. I don't understand the repository problem he mentioned, but I think that the mail list problem is easily solved with, erm, mail lists.
I don't want to be combative about this -- and if committers of commons components want to move their code, they have my support FWIW -- but if umbrella's are the problem, seems like we're just sliding the deck chairs around.
geir
Cheers, -g
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