> On Jul 3, 2019, at 2:37 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote: > > > This is correct. Provided we *do* explicitly acknowledge that special > status of the Incubator. > > This acknowledgement will basically put podling source code releases > at the same level we have convenience binary releases. Which is: they > are NOT acts of the foundation. >
IMO, we want 2 things: 1. Podlings, and PPMC members, to enjoy the legal protection of the foundation when they do a release 2. The outside world, and esp downstream end-users, to know that podling releases should be expected to not be fully compliant with the normal expectations associated w/ PMC releases. #1 requires them to be acts of the foundation; #2 requires easily visible and discoverable disclaimers. Anything else just seems excessive and somewhat unwarranted, I think. Let's make it as easy as possible, and as painless as possible, for podlings to learn; Heck, at the start of The Apache Group and the ASF, we didn't do everything right; we tried some things and some failed. It's in the nature of education and mentoring. Making mistakes is not a problem; not learning from them is. After we resolve this, I *really* would like to switch the convo around to a discussion as deep, and as involved, but related to the other (IMO, more important) side of the Incubator coin: education in the Apache Way. So much derives from that... even the legal considerations of releases ultimately can be found there, IMO. And I still maintain that we do a Not-So-Good job here.
