Jon,

This is a nice entry for the FAQ you are talking about. It is quite
reasonable and all.

Copying and pasting this somewhere and putting the corresponding
question before it is better than nothing and you get an URL to use
next time the problem pops up.

I quite like your well tempered writing - it is still direct to the
point but much less ofensive.


Thanks and have fun,
Paulo


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:20 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: ASPizer
>
>
> on 10/17/01 6:08 AM, "Paul Ilechko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Whatever Jon is or isn't is not my place to say, but I think I
> was pretty
> > clear that we are NOT looking to dump a project on Apache, that we ARE
> > continuing to work on ASPizer and support it, and have described the
> > commitment we expect to make.
>
> I question that commitment. No, I'm not going to just take your
> word for it.
>
> How can you commit to backing a project over the long term if your company
> can't get funding? When your company goes out of business, what interest
> will you have in developing this project over the long term?
>
> You need to realize that the 5 years that I have been around here, I have
> seen about 30-40 people just like you who come with some great
> project that
> they want to see survive beyond their company who want to give us
> the great
> pleasure of hosting for them so that they can maybe get some
> interest in it
> because no one was willing to buy it.
>
> We already have enough baggage around the Jakarta project. I think that
> adding any new projects is going to have to be carefully considered. The
> primary consideration is whether or not the project coming in has a
> developer and user community around it. The reason is because it will be
> these people who have to support the project long after the lead
> developers
> or the company that created it disappeared.
>
> The problem is that few people around here have been around for
> as long as I
> have so they have a very small understanding of the amount of crap that we
> have accumulated and gone through over the years. As a result, we have
> really closed our doors to new projects that have no community before they
> come here. Simply because we don't want to become a
> sourceforget.net (which
> is where I would have recommended you to go in the first place instead of
> pointing you at this list).
>
> If you had bothered to read the archives before coming here, you
> would have
> seen myself and others say similar things like the above over and over and
> over again. Yes, this is prompting me to do yet even more work
> and create a
> FAQ page for this stuff on the website. I'm tired of repeating myself.
>
> > Now, if anyone wants to look more closely at the
> > product and make some informed comments, we'll be happy to
> share information.
> > I will not be responding to inane trolls.
>
> How come you haven't put the source code out there under an OSS
> license yet
> so that we can look at it before we decide to begin to even consider it?
>
> thanks,
>
> -jon
>
>
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