Re: [GRN] Caneco does anyone know what this translates to

Wed, 05 Jun 2024 17:37:58 -0700

Victor,
“The mixed-race mestizo boys were… racist in Portuguese-held Goa”
Do you believe that the so-called “mestizos” (with all due respect, I consider this a racist term, hence the quotation marks)were racists throughout the 451 years of Portuguese rule in Goa?
JM de Figueiredo 
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On Jun 5, 2024, at 7:42 PM, 'Victor Rangel-ribeiro' via Goa-Research-Net <goa-research-net@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Dear Sonia, I was growing up in Goa in those days, and do not agree that the term 'caneco' was used by the Portuguese to identify a class of people who washed their posteriors after defecating; it was just a racist slur. The mixed race mestizo boys were as racist in Portuguese-held Goa as the Anglo-Indians were in "British India". Attitudes changed after Independence, but they changed very very slowly.

Warmest regards,
Victor

On Wednesday, June 5, 2024 at 12:56:23 PM EDT, Sonia Gomes <rgso...@gmail.com> wrote:


Thank you very much Tino. For years my Aunt who was in Liceu was insulted by the mestico boys. They said, ' bonita esta caneca' because she was beautiful. She never knew the meaning. In fact no one did. This is brilliant and fits in. Thank you very much.


On Wed, 5 Jun, 2024, 8:30 pm Tino de Sa, <tinod...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think that 'caneco' arose from the fact that Goan Catholics, in spite of having adopted Portuguese ways in many respects, chose to ignore the use of toilet paper and preferred to use mugs of water to clean themselves.
The Portuguese found this amusing - people wearing western clothes, speaking Portuguese, culturally Portuguese in many ways - but using mugs of water after they defecated.
Hence the derogatory nickname.
Tino

On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 1:08 AM Frederick Noronha <fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a reminder on what the earlier discussion on this issue said  (in case anyone is interested). Via Goanet:





Goanet highlights by Selma Carvalho

One of the interesting discussion on Goanet has been about the word
“canecos”. The Portuguese used this word, often as a racial slur, for
Catholic Goans but opinions were divided as to its actual meaning.
Here are some of the more interesting viewpoints shared by Goanet
members.
Gabriel de Figueiredo:
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/179875.html

Bernado Colaco:
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/179941.html

Monica Reis of the Indo-Portuguese Art Research Project:
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/179934.html

Con Menezes:
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180027.html

Although a consensus was not reached on its actual meaning, there is a
strong possibility that it is a corruption of the word “canarims,” the
old Portuguese word for people of the Konkan coast. The fact that in
Africa, only Catholic Goans were called “canecos” and not the
Africans, leads credence to this theory.

On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 at 00:08, 'Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net <goa-research-net@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Dear members,

I have for many years been trying to find out the exact meaning of this slur that was used for Goans by the Portuguese 'caneco.' About a decade ago we had an interesting discussion on Goanet about this but nothing conclusive was arrived at. The word itself means mug, but how and why was it used as a slur.

Any imput appreciated.
Thank you,
selma

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