Mestiços, also called, mulatos ou descendentes , etc. were racist
towards the natives (browns).The Portuguese invented the expression
mestiço. The mestiço said that Konkani was the language of the
servants (concani era a língua dos criados). There was a sort of
hierarchy in colonial Goa: 1st white settlers, 2nd mestiços, 3rd
Christians and 4th Hindus.
Alberto
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Data: Wed, 5 Jun 2024 20:03:33 -0400
De: John de Figueiredo <johnde...@sbcglobal.net>
Assunto: Re: [GRN] Caneco does anyone know what this translates to
Para: goa-research-net@googlegroups.com
Victor,
“The mixed-race mestizo boys were… racist in Portuguese-held Goa”
Do you believe that the so-called “mestizos” (with all due respect,
I consider this a racist term, hence the quotation marks)were
racists throughout the 451 years of Portuguese rule in Goa?
JM de Figueiredo
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On Jun 5, 2024, at 7:42 PM, 'Victor Rangel-ribeiro' via
Goa-Research-Net <goa-research-net@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Dear Sonia, I was growing up in Goa in those days, and do not agree
that the term 'caneco' was used by the Portuguese to identify a
class of people who washed their posteriors after defecating; it
was just a racist slur. The mixed race mestizo boys were as racist
in Portuguese-held Goa as the Anglo-Indians were in "British
India". Attitudes changed after Independence, but they changed very
very slowly.
Warmest regards,
Victor
On Wednesday, June 5, 2024 at 12:56:23 PM EDT, Sonia Gomes
<rgso...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you very much Tino. For years my Aunt who was in Liceu was
insulted by the mestico boys. They said, ' bonita esta caneca'
because she was beautiful. She never knew the meaning. In fact no
one did. This is brilliant and fits in. Thank you very much.
On Wed, 5 Jun, 2024, 8:30 pm Tino de Sa, <tinod...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think that 'caneco' arose from the fact that Goan Catholics, in
spite of having adopted Portuguese ways in many respects, chose to
ignore the use of toilet paper and preferred to use mugs of water
to clean themselves.
The Portuguese found this amusing - people wearing western
clothes, speaking Portuguese, culturally Portuguese in many ways -
but using mugs of water after they defecated.
Hence the derogatory nickname.
Tino
On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 1:08 AM Frederick Noronha
<fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a reminder on what the earlier discussion on this issue
said (in case anyone is interested). Via Goanet:
* [Goanet] Canecos [1] [2] /Carvalho/
* [Goanet] Canecos [3] [2] /Gabriel de Figueiredo/
* [Goanet] Canecos [4] [2] /Carvalho/
* [Goanet] Canecos [5] [2] /Antonio Menezes/
* [Goanet] Canecos [6] [2] /Alfred de Tavares/
* [Goanet] Canecos [7] [2] /Roland Francis/
* [Goanet] Canecos [8] [2] /Alfred de Tavares/
* [Goanet] Canecos [9] [2] /Victor Rangel-Ribeiro/
* [Goanet] Canecos [10] [2] /Carvalho/
* [Goanet] Canecos [11] [2] /Gabriel de Figueiredo/
* [Goanet] Canecos [12] [2] /Santosh Helekar/
* [Goanet] Canecos [13] [2] /Gilbert Lawrence/
* [Goanet] Canecos [14] [2] /Carvalho/
* [Goanet] Canecos [15] [2] /Gilbert Lawrence/
* [Goanet] Canecos [16] [2] /Monica Reis/
* [Goanet] Canecos [17] [2] /Bernado Colaco/
* [Goanet] Canecos [18] [2] /Carvalho/
* [Goanet] Canecos [19] [2] /Gabe Menezes/
* [Goanet] Canecos [20] [2] /Venantius Pinto/
* [Goanet] Canecos [21] [2] /Gilbert Lawrence/
* [Goanet] Canecos [22] [2] /Mario Goveia/
* [Goanet] Canecos [23] [2] /Gabe Menezes/
* [Goanet] Canecos [24] [2] /Con Menezes/
* [Goanet] Canecos and other racial slurs [25] [2] /Carvalho/
* [Goanet] Canecos [26] [2] /Antonio Menezes/
* [Goanet] Canecos [27] [2] /Victor Rangel-Ribeiro/
[GOANET-NEWS] GOANET HIGHLIGHTS: WHO OR WHAT IS A CANECO? (SELMA
CARVALHO)[28]
Goanet News[29] Sun, 19 Jul 2009 04:11:54 -0700[30]
Goanet highlights by Selma Carvalho One of the interesting
discussion on Goanet has been about the word “canecos”. The
Portuguese used this word, often as a racial slur, for Catholic
Goans but opinions were divided as to its actual meaning. Here
are some of the more interesting viewpoints shared by Goanet
members.
Gabriel de Figueiredo:
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/179875.html
Bernado Colaco:
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/179941.html
Monica Reis of the Indo-Portuguese Art Research Project:
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/179934.html
Con Menezes:
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180027.html
Although a consensus was not reached on its actual meaning, there
is a strong possibility that it is a corruption of the word
“canarims,” the old Portuguese word for people of the Konkan
coast. The fact that in Africa, only Catholic Goans were called
“canecos” and not the Africans, leads credence to this theory.
On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 at 00:08, 'Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net
<goa-research-net@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Dear members,
I have for many years been trying to find out the exact meaning
of this slur that was used for Goans by the Portuguese 'caneco.'
About a decade ago we had an interesting discussion on Goanet
about this but nothing conclusive was arrived at. The word
itself means mug, but how and why was it used as a slur.
Any imput appreciated.
Thank you,
selma
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