Vitor and Dr. Figueiredo, my account is purely hearsay. My aunt Elsa da Rocha, who was in the Liceu much before the Liberation narrated the following. She said, that there were the Portuguese as well as the Mesticos studying in the Liceu. In fact I do remember she saying that the Mesticos came to the Liceu( building) solely to create 'confusoes'. Now every time the Mesticos saw the girls from the Liceu they shouted out, Canecas. Oi Canecas. They called out to my aunt, esta caneca e bonita, because my aunt was beautiful. I remember asking her what is a caneca. She replied she did not know why they were called canecas, which literally means a jug like receptacle. She never could figure why the Mesticos called them canecas. Now Tino de Sa's explanation fits in perfectly. My aunt also mentioned ' os rapazes Mesticos eram ameceadores'. I have no clue, neither did my aunt, where canecas could be fitted, racist, casteist or some other. Thank you. Sonia
On Thu, 6 Jun, 2024, 6:07 am John de Figueiredo, <johnde...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Victor, > “The mixed-race mestizo boys were… racist in Portuguese-held Goa” > Do you believe that the so-called “mestizos” (with all due respect, I > consider this a racist term, hence the quotation marks)were racists > throughout the 451 years of Portuguese rule in Goa? > JM de Figueiredo > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 5, 2024, at 7:42 PM, 'Victor Rangel-ribeiro' via Goa-Research-Net < > goa-research-net@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > Dear Sonia, I was growing up in Goa in those days, and do not agree that > the term 'caneco' was used by the Portuguese to identify a class of people > who washed their posteriors after defecating; it was just a racist slur. > The mixed race mestizo boys were as racist in Portuguese-held Goa as the > Anglo-Indians were in "British India". Attitudes changed after > Independence, but they changed very very slowly. > > Warmest regards, > Victor > > On Wednesday, June 5, 2024 at 12:56:23 PM EDT, Sonia Gomes < > rgso...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thank you very much Tino. For years my Aunt who was in Liceu was insulted > by the mestico boys. They said, ' bonita esta caneca' because she was > beautiful. She never knew the meaning. In fact no one did. This is > brilliant and fits in. Thank you very much. > > On Wed, 5 Jun, 2024, 8:30 pm Tino de Sa, <tinod...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think that 'caneco' arose from the fact that Goan Catholics, in spite of > having adopted Portuguese ways in many respects, chose to ignore the use of > toilet paper and preferred to use mugs of water to clean themselves. > The Portuguese found this amusing - people wearing western clothes, > speaking Portuguese, culturally Portuguese in many ways - but using mugs of > water after they defecated. > Hence the derogatory nickname. > Tino > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 1:08 AM Frederick Noronha < > fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Just a reminder on what the earlier discussion on this issue said (in > case anyone is interested). Via Goanet: > > > - [Goanet] Canecos > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094786.html> > *Carvalho* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094801.html> > *Gabriel de Figueiredo* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094805.html> > *Carvalho* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094808.html> > *Antonio Menezes* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094857.html> > *Alfred de Tavares* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094871.html> > *Roland Francis* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094966.html> > *Alfred de Tavares* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094916.html> > *Victor Rangel-Ribeiro* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094814.html> > *Carvalho* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094825.html> > *Gabriel de Figueiredo* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094840.html> > *Santosh Helekar* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094833.html> > *Gilbert Lawrence* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094859.html> > *Carvalho* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094868.html> > *Gilbert Lawrence* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094884.html> > *Monica Reis* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094891.html> > *Bernado Colaco* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094898.html> > *Carvalho* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094929.html> > *Gabe Menezes* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094930.html> > *Venantius Pinto* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094949.html> > *Gilbert Lawrence* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094964.html> > *Mario Goveia* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094973.html> > *Gabe Menezes* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094977.html> > *Con Menezes* > - [Goanet] Canecos and other racial slurs > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/095011.html> > *Carvalho* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/095022.html> > *Antonio Menezes* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/095226.html> > *Victor Rangel-Ribeiro* > > > > > > [Goanet-News] Goanet highlights: Who or what is a caneco? (Selma Carvalho) > <https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=goanet-n...@lists.goanet.org&q=subject:%22%5C%5BGoanet%5C-News%5C%5D+Goanet+highlights%5C%3A+Who+or+what+is+a+caneco%5C%3F+%5C%28Selma%09Carvalho%5C%29%22&o=newest> > > Goanet News > <https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=goanet-n...@lists.goanet.org&q=from:%22Goanet+News%22> > Sun, 19 Jul 2009 04:11:54 -0700 > <https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=goanet-n...@lists.goanet.org&q=date:20090719> > > Goanet highlights by Selma Carvalho > > One of the interesting discussion on Goanet has been about the word > “canecos”. The Portuguese used this word, often as a racial slur, for > Catholic Goans but opinions were divided as to its actual meaning. > Here are some of the more interesting viewpoints shared by Goanet > members. > > Gabriel de > Figueiredo:http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/179875.html > > Bernado > Colaco:http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/179941.html > > Monica Reis of the Indo-Portuguese Art Research > Project:http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/179934.html > > Con > Menezes:http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180027.html > > Although a consensus was not reached on its actual meaning, there is a > strong possibility that it is a corruption of the word “canarims,” the > old Portuguese word for people of the Konkan coast. 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