The term race (Rasse, le race etc.) was not in common parlance in early Spanish-Portuguese colonisation. The frame of thought was Catholic, Roman Catholic, to be precise, and based on Christianus-Paganus, Christian and Pagan, where pagus (Latin) meant village in Latin, payee in French, Heath in English and Heide in German. So, you have pagan, payee, heathen and die Heiden in contrast to Christian (Roman Catholic). The absence of soul in the dark-skinned was the cause of discrimination and colonising domination, and enslavement. After the Reformation, the Enlightenment and the onset of the so-called Age of Reason, race and its European equivalents became perspectives of discrimination and domination, and also enslavement. The Portuguese trilogy was: casticos, mesticos and nativos. These were the castas, from castus, casta, castum (in Latin) which meant chaste, pure. Casti connubii meant chaste married or pure married couple. Casa was house, casado was married man, and cazar meant marriage which is the same in Sanskrit: grha, grhasta etc. Both were male-dominated expressions. Women were 'given' in marriage, that is, change of place of residence by the ritual of giving away the virgin or kanya. , This was appropriated into French, caste, and English. In this way, India became a caste society with a hierarchy of pure-impure castes. The hierarchy was Indian, the word or term, Portuguese, French and English. It remains so. Like this term formation came a variety of terms, caneco was one of them, a cup, a mug etc. and was used to distinguish the castico from the nativo, and the mestico went along with the castico in contrast to the nativos. They were bottom-washing with mugs, but the Portuguese were no less bottom-washing with mugs, because toilet paper did not exist then. Even Romans and Roman soldiers were bottom-washing people. Water flowed in the public toilets of the Roman Empire. We need to check the use of the word caneco in a pejorative sense on a time scale, not early but late Portuguese rule, when enough mestico were around to create a discriminatory grouping with the caneco habit. And so on. William Robert Da Silva On Thursday, June 6, 2024 at 6:07:56 AM UTC+5:30 John de Figueiredo wrote:
> Victor, > “The mixed-race mestizo boys were… racist in Portuguese-held Goa” > Do you believe that the so-called “mestizos” (with all due respect, I > consider this a racist term, hence the quotation marks)were racists > throughout the 451 years of Portuguese rule in Goa? > JM de Figueiredo > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 5, 2024, at 7:42 PM, 'Victor Rangel-ribeiro' via Goa-Research-Net < > goa-rese...@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > > Dear Sonia, I was growing up in Goa in those days, and do not agree that > the term 'caneco' was used by the Portuguese to identify a class of people > who washed their posteriors after defecating; it was just a racist slur. > The mixed race mestizo boys were as racist in Portuguese-held Goa as the > Anglo-Indians were in "British India". Attitudes changed after > Independence, but they changed very very slowly. > > Warmest regards, > Victor > > On Wednesday, June 5, 2024 at 12:56:23 PM EDT, Sonia Gomes < > rgs...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thank you very much Tino. For years my Aunt who was in Liceu was insulted > by the mestico boys. They said, ' bonita esta caneca' because she was > beautiful. She never knew the meaning. In fact no one did. This is > brilliant and fits in. Thank you very much. > > On Wed, 5 Jun, 2024, 8:30 pm Tino de Sa, <tino...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think that 'caneco' arose from the fact that Goan Catholics, in spite of > having adopted Portuguese ways in many respects, chose to ignore the use of > toilet paper and preferred to use mugs of water to clean themselves. > The Portuguese found this amusing - people wearing western clothes, > speaking Portuguese, culturally Portuguese in many ways - but using mugs of > water after they defecated. > Hence the derogatory nickname. > Tino > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 1:08 AM Frederick Noronha <frederic...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Just a reminder on what the earlier discussion on this issue said (in > case anyone is interested). Via Goanet: > > > - [Goanet] Canecos > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094786.html> > *Carvalho* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094801.html> > *Gabriel de Figueiredo* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094805.html> > *Carvalho* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094808.html> > *Antonio Menezes* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094857.html> > *Alfred de Tavares* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094871.html> > *Roland Francis* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094966.html> > *Alfred de Tavares* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094916.html> > *Victor Rangel-Ribeiro* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094814.html> > *Carvalho* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094825.html> > *Gabriel de Figueiredo* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094840.html> > *Santosh Helekar* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094833.html> > *Gilbert Lawrence* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094859.html> > *Carvalho* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094868.html> > *Gilbert Lawrence* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094884.html> > *Monica Reis* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094891.html> > *Bernado Colaco* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094898.html> > *Carvalho* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094929.html> > *Gabe Menezes* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094930.html> > *Venantius Pinto* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094949.html> > *Gilbert Lawrence* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094964.html> > *Mario Goveia* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094973.html> > *Gabe Menezes* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/094977.html> > *Con Menezes* > - [Goanet] Canecos and other racial slurs > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/095011.html> > *Carvalho* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/095022.html> > *Antonio Menezes* > - [Goanet] Canecos > > <http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/095226.html> > *Victor Rangel-Ribeiro* > > > > > > [Goanet-News] Goanet highlights: Who or what is a caneco? (Selma Carvalho) > <https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=goanet-n...@lists.goanet.org&q=subject:%22%5C%5BGoanet%5C-News%5C%5D+Goanet+highlights%5C%3A+Who+or+what+is+a+caneco%5C%3F+%5C%28Selma%09Carvalho%5C%29%22&o=newest> > > Goanet News > <https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=goanet-n...@lists.goanet.org&q=from:%22Goanet+News%22> > Sun, 19 Jul 2009 04:11:54 -0700 > <https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=goanet-n...@lists.goanet.org&q=date:20090719> > > Goanet highlights by Selma Carvalho > > One of the interesting discussion on Goanet has been about the word > “canecos”. The Portuguese used this word, often as a racial slur, for > Catholic Goans but opinions were divided as to its actual meaning. > Here are some of the more interesting viewpoints shared by Goanet > members. > > Gabriel de > Figueiredo:http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/179875.html > > Bernado > Colaco:http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/179941.html > > Monica Reis of the Indo-Portuguese Art Research > Project:http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/179934.html > > Con > Menezes:http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180027.html > > Although a consensus was not reached on its actual meaning, there is a > strong possibility that it is a corruption of the word “canarims,” the > old Portuguese word for people of the Konkan coast. The fact that in > Africa, only Catholic Goans were called “canecos” and not the > Africans, leads credence to this theory. > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 at 00:08, 'Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net < > goa-rese...@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Dear members, > > I have for many years been trying to find out the exact meaning of this > slur that was used for Goans by the Portuguese 'caneco.' About a decade ago > we had an interesting discussion on Goanet about this but nothing > conclusive was arrived at. 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