Hi Juguang Your words provide a nice counter-balance to those who are not so happy with App Engine. Yes, you are correct in reminding us all that we should be grateful for something free. And yes App Engine has likely provided a whole bunch of young, inquiring minds with an amazing opportunity to tinker and learn on a global scale.
But for some strange reason, I'm also reminded of that old saying...you get what you pay for. On Jul 16, 7:26 pm, Juguang XIAO <jugu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dogfooding, as wikipedia names it, is ideological, may not be practical. > People, as well as company, lives practically for surviving first then > chasing dreams. > > I have seen the positive movement from Google, did so much for developers. > People may take it for granted, thinking the leader should do more. I am > content with GAE, as it offers some free and exciting stuffs. I cannot ask > Google to give more, unless he decided so. People can be happy when they are > grateful. > > Technically speaking, I do not think Google offers its best to developers. > It will be too costy to do so. Their mainstream businesses need to be > maintained, and I guess each business unit has its own authority and freedom > to do thing in their own way. Core businesses and technologies need to be > protected. If you are not happy, go for Microsoft. ;-) > > I do not believe, people can run their serious business without serious pay. > 6.5 hour per day CUP time is enough for casual applications. If you need > more, try to create multiple account, schedule roster among them, sync your > data among them. This is the solutions. If terms and conditions of use of > GAE allows, there will be open souce projects for GAE clustering. > > Juguang > > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:03 AM, GenghisOne <mdkach...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > So it looks like there's an updated Google App Engine roadmap and > > guess what...no mention of full-text search. > > > Doesn't that strike anyone as a bit odd? How can an emerging cloud > > computing platform not effectively address full-text search? And > > what's really odd is the absolute silence from Google...quite frankly, > > I don't get it. > > > On Jul 16, 12:28 pm, Bryan <bj97...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > This is a very interesting discussion. I would like to see some input > > > from Google. > > > > On Jul 15, 10:20 am, richard emberson <richard.ember...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > I understand that BigTable is behind GAE, but my concern is > > > > more with GAE performance and quotas. If GAE had existed > > > > when Larry and Sergey were developing their pagerack > > > > algorithm, would they have used GEA for evaluation? > > > > I have my doubts. They would quickly reach quota limits, > > > > way before they knew if they had a viable idea. > > > > > Richard > > > > > Tony wrote: > > > > > Though I realize this is not exactly what you're asking, the concept > > > > > of GAE is that it exposes some of the infrastructure that all Google > > > > > applications rely on (i.e. Datastore) for others to use. So, in a > > > > > sense, Google's various applications were using App Engine before App > > > > > Engine existed. As far as I know, every Google service runs on the > > > > > same homogeneous infrastructure, which is part of what makes it so > > > > > reliable (and why the only available languages are Python and Java, > > > > > languages used internally at Google). > > > > > > But I don't work there, so maybe I'm completely off-base. > > > > > > On Jul 15, 12:53 pm, richard emberson <richard.ember...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> Eating one's own dog foodhttp:// > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_one's_own_dog_food > > > > >> or in this case: > > > > >> Using one's own cloud. > > > > > >> Amazon' cloud is based upon the IT technology they use > > > > >> within Amazon. > > > > >> Salesforce.com's Force.com offering is what they used to > > > > >> build their CRM system. > > > > > >> These cloud vendors "Eat their own dog food". > > > > > >> If a cloud vendor does not use their cloud offering for > > > > >> their other products and/or internal systems, one > > > > >> would have to assume that the cloud is viewed as > > > > >> a technology ghetto within their own corporation - good > > > > >> enough for others but not for ourselves. > > > > > >> So, concerning the Google App Engine, are other groups > > > > >> within Google clamoring to port or build their offerings > > > > >> on top of the App Engine? If so, please be specific, what > > > > >> Google products and infrastructure and what are the schedules > > > > >> for their hosting on GAE? > > > > > >> Is the GAE group supporting the Google Docs group as they > > > > >> move to use GAE? How about gmail, will the Google Gmail > > > > >> group be relying on GAE support? I have not seen emails > > > > >> from either of those internal Google groups on the GAE > > > > >> mailing list. Lastly, when will Google search be supported > > > > >> by the GAE group; > > > > > >> Will those groups have to live under the same quota restrictions > > > > >> while they evaluate using GAE? If not, why not? If they > > > > >> are unreasonable for an internal evaluation, what makes them > > > > >> reasonable for an external evaluation? > > > > > >> Evaluating whether or not GAE should be used for a particular > > > > >> application is not FREE even if one gets a very small slice > > > > >> of GAE resources with which to do the evaluation. > > > > >> Tens or hundreds of hours go into determine if GAE has > > > > >> the right characteristics and quotas that limit how fast one > > > > >> can work makes it worse. (Yes one can $$ for higher quotas, > > > > >> but during the evaluation phase $$ is out of the question.) > > > > > >> Richard Emberson > > > > > >> -- > > > > >> Quis custodiet ipsos custodes > > > > > -- > > > > Quis custodiet ipsos custodes > > -- > ============= > Juguang XIAO > Beijing, China --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. 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