There are those of us who are betting real $s that GAE is a real platform for serving an app that needs to scale. I am grateful that GOOG lets me host my glassblowing web site for free (scalability not an issue). I expect to pay money to GOOG for this platform if/when things go well. Hopefully I will pay them a lot :-).
My $.02 is that the email-based Q&A support has been very good. The GAE Marketing department seems to need major surgery: - you have to set & meet a feature roadmap (with dates), - you have to be able to provide reference customers. These are business basics. Jeff On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 7:38 PM, GenghisOne<mdkach...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Juguang > > Your words provide a nice counter-balance to those who are not so > happy with App Engine. Yes, you are correct in reminding us all that > we should be grateful for something free. And yes App Engine has > likely provided a whole bunch of young, inquiring minds with an > amazing opportunity to tinker and learn on a global scale. > > But for some strange reason, I'm also reminded of that old > saying...you get what you pay for. > > > On Jul 16, 7:26 pm, Juguang XIAO <jugu...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Dogfooding, as wikipedia names it, is ideological, may not be practical. >> People, as well as company, lives practically for surviving first then >> chasing dreams. >> >> I have seen the positive movement from Google, did so much for developers. >> People may take it for granted, thinking the leader should do more. I am >> content with GAE, as it offers some free and exciting stuffs. I cannot ask >> Google to give more, unless he decided so. People can be happy when they are >> grateful. >> >> Technically speaking, I do not think Google offers its best to developers. >> It will be too costy to do so. Their mainstream businesses need to be >> maintained, and I guess each business unit has its own authority and freedom >> to do thing in their own way. Core businesses and technologies need to be >> protected. If you are not happy, go for Microsoft. ;-) >> >> I do not believe, people can run their serious business without serious pay. >> 6.5 hour per day CUP time is enough for casual applications. If you need >> more, try to create multiple account, schedule roster among them, sync your >> data among them. This is the solutions. If terms and conditions of use of >> GAE allows, there will be open souce projects for GAE clustering. >> >> Juguang >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:03 AM, GenghisOne <mdkach...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > So it looks like there's an updated Google App Engine roadmap and >> > guess what...no mention of full-text search. >> >> > Doesn't that strike anyone as a bit odd? How can an emerging cloud >> > computing platform not effectively address full-text search? And >> > what's really odd is the absolute silence from Google...quite frankly, >> > I don't get it. >> >> > On Jul 16, 12:28 pm, Bryan <bj97...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > This is a very interesting discussion. I would like to see some input >> > > from Google. >> >> > > On Jul 15, 10:20 am, richard emberson <richard.ember...@gmail.com> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > > I understand that BigTable is behind GAE, but my concern is >> > > > more with GAE performance and quotas. If GAE had existed >> > > > when Larry and Sergey were developing their pagerack >> > > > algorithm, would they have used GEA for evaluation? >> > > > I have my doubts. They would quickly reach quota limits, >> > > > way before they knew if they had a viable idea. >> >> > > > Richard >> >> > > > Tony wrote: >> > > > > Though I realize this is not exactly what you're asking, the concept >> > > > > of GAE is that it exposes some of the infrastructure that all Google >> > > > > applications rely on (i.e. Datastore) for others to use. So, in a >> > > > > sense, Google's various applications were using App Engine before App >> > > > > Engine existed. As far as I know, every Google service runs on the >> > > > > same homogeneous infrastructure, which is part of what makes it so >> > > > > reliable (and why the only available languages are Python and Java, >> > > > > languages used internally at Google). >> >> > > > > But I don't work there, so maybe I'm completely off-base. >> >> > > > > On Jul 15, 12:53 pm, richard emberson <richard.ember...@gmail.com> >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > >> Eating one's own dog foodhttp:// >> > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_one's_own_dog_food >> > > > >> or in this case: >> > > > >> Using one's own cloud. >> >> > > > >> Amazon' cloud is based upon the IT technology they use >> > > > >> within Amazon. >> > > > >> Salesforce.com's Force.com offering is what they used to >> > > > >> build their CRM system. >> >> > > > >> These cloud vendors "Eat their own dog food". >> >> > > > >> If a cloud vendor does not use their cloud offering for >> > > > >> their other products and/or internal systems, one >> > > > >> would have to assume that the cloud is viewed as >> > > > >> a technology ghetto within their own corporation - good >> > > > >> enough for others but not for ourselves. >> >> > > > >> So, concerning the Google App Engine, are other groups >> > > > >> within Google clamoring to port or build their offerings >> > > > >> on top of the App Engine? If so, please be specific, what >> > > > >> Google products and infrastructure and what are the schedules >> > > > >> for their hosting on GAE? >> >> > > > >> Is the GAE group supporting the Google Docs group as they >> > > > >> move to use GAE? How about gmail, will the Google Gmail >> > > > >> group be relying on GAE support? I have not seen emails >> > > > >> from either of those internal Google groups on the GAE >> > > > >> mailing list. Lastly, when will Google search be supported >> > > > >> by the GAE group; >> >> > > > >> Will those groups have to live under the same quota restrictions >> > > > >> while they evaluate using GAE? If not, why not? If they >> > > > >> are unreasonable for an internal evaluation, what makes them >> > > > >> reasonable for an external evaluation? >> >> > > > >> Evaluating whether or not GAE should be used for a particular >> > > > >> application is not FREE even if one gets a very small slice >> > > > >> of GAE resources with which to do the evaluation. >> > > > >> Tens or hundreds of hours go into determine if GAE has >> > > > >> the right characteristics and quotas that limit how fast one >> > > > >> can work makes it worse. (Yes one can $$ for higher quotas, >> > > > >> but during the evaluation phase $$ is out of the question.) >> >> > > > >> Richard Emberson >> >> > > > >> -- >> > > > >> Quis custodiet ipsos custodes >> >> > > > -- >> > > > Quis custodiet ipsos custodes >> >> -- >> ============= >> Juguang XIAO >> Beijing, China > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. 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