*If one doesn't know any thing at all about the 60 year old Kashmir problem there are chances that one is an Islamophobe... If one doesn't talk about cast violence at all one might be part of that violence as well.. *
i was questioning this: the more knowledge and active participation in discussions won't grant a position to one to blame others for the their silence or ignorance. Ahmed * * On 5/5/08, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i feel > it is not the question of how better one is placed or not. > attempt to initiate a debate on an issue need not be curbed by branding it > asa blame > by raising the issue of silence of mainstream discourse one is > critically/politically particiapting/initiating a debate. > blame it or not it is through blame that it develops...thgh onr cannot > escape the blame of being blmng! > > > On 5/5/08, ahmed rafeek j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > discourses determine one's position. not the opposite. we all, like > > those who are having no knowledge on kashmir, caste system and etc, > > are forced to take part in the same power mechanism of discourse. > > > > more dissident knowledge and active participation in greenyouth > > discussion won't deconstitute one's 'self'. nor do the silence. nobody > > is having the benevolence of granted space free from power mechanism > > in the name of her pro-kashmir/ pro-dalit stand. > > > > i dont consider myself any way better based on my 'enlightened' > > position on kashmir or dalit issues than my many friends who are less/ > > not enlightened, unless i am actively participated in any poltical > > struggle that might destabilize my 'self' that constituted by the > > power structure. > > > > so, think think n think before u blame others for their silence and > > lack of knowledge. > > > > Ahmed > > > > > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > There is absolutely no exhortation on anyone to comment on anything. > > > All that I personally implied is that only people who are on the giving > end > > > of the hegemonic spectrum usually afford silences. There are many who > claim > > > based on their experience (including the Govt of India at WCAR in Durban > and > > > afterwards too), that India pro-actively indulges in dalits and muslims > (the > > > anti-reservation scenes). These so-called "indulgences" at times though > are > > > well-intentioned are evidence of the structural violencee, (e.g- your > > > addressing Afthab as Sahib based on a presumption because his name is > > > Afthab). There are others who claim that caste, communal, gender or > other > > > hegemonies do not exist in their lives. Then there are others who are > > > silent!!!! > > > There is a huge difference between violence perpetrated within a power > > > matrix by people at different ends of the matrix - this is why for > instance > > > in criminal jurisprudence constitutional sagfeguards are given to the > > > accused, however horrendous the society may percieve the crime to be - > > > because of the power differential between an individual and the state. > In > > > that vein, there is a difference between RSS exhortation on Muslims to > prove > > > their patriotism and this thread on "silences" > > > I think its time for me to remain silent now and let others comment > > > Best > > > > > > On 03/05/2008, Murali K Warier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I didn't say that I don't know or have no comments, if that is what > you > > > imply, but take any issue, there are sufficient number of 'well > educated', > > > 'computer literate' people who do not know a thing about it. This is > from > > > personal experience. > > > > > > > > I don't find any difference between 'you have to comment, else you are > an > > > Islamophobe' and the RSS's exhortation to Muslims that they need to > 'prove > > > their patriotism', or else they are traitors. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Murali > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 2:10 AM, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we do not need to invoke the spirit of stalin or hitler, if one > claims > > > any part in the "indian" > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they > don't > > > want to hear. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Bobby Kunhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
